The point of the warning would be that we are following established community standards. What is the point of having rules if we don't enforce them? And even if Zoe behaves this way because she is somehow incapable of adhering to CS, that doesn't mean she gets to violate CS with impugnity.
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Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier
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Elena - Apr 12, 2003 12:56:38 am PDT #9293 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.
askye - Apr 12, 2003 12:57:14 am PDT #9294 of 10001
Thrive to spite them
No the ranking of posts so someone is automatically banned, the Buffistas decided against a system that would rank or rate users like that.
Kat - Apr 12, 2003 12:59:28 am PDT #9295 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
Oh. So how was it left, then? That people had to come in and request a warning?
The system wasn't really designed for warnings and how to issue them. I think it was a rating system and once your approval rating dropped below X then you were voted off Buffista island for a period of time.
There wasn't a resolution on how to request a warning. And I think this may be the first or second time it happened.
Because I think what Kat and others are saying is that maybe we need a better way of inititating the process.
We may need a better way of initiating the process. But I also think that someone needs to swallow the premonitions of Bad Things to Come and just post and ask. And tell the poster you're upset with that you're upset and going to make moves to request an official warning.
I'm not really being clear, I guess. What I'm trying to say is that if it is Bad Enough that someone is willing to go against the group etiquette, then it's Bad Enough to seriously consider giving this person a warning. Also, I'd like to see better ways to mediate disputes. Not that I want a conflict resolutiony deal, but that asking for a warning shouldn't be seen just as knuckle smacking. But as the second step (the first should be other users saying, "Calm Down! Not Okay!") in a greater process for trying to integrate a person into our community or show them to the door.
arby - Apr 12, 2003 12:59:41 am PDT #9296 of 10001
Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)
Sorry askye, you replied while I was composing. I wasn't trying to ignore your post by repeating myself in 9284. But I stand by what I said in 9289.
Noumenon - Apr 12, 2003 1:00:21 am PDT #9297 of 10001
No other candidate is asking the hard questions, like "Did geophysicists assassinate Jim Henson?" or "Why is there hydrogen in America's water supply?" --defective yeti
I thought PMM was saying "LJ is private, especially because some of it is really private." I wouldn't expect connie to be bringing up a shh-shh protected post, so I thought she was in trouble for mentioning LJs at all.
I felt the weird butterflies (because I feel like I'm often marked the baddie because I tend towards the upfront which is read as confrontational) when I posted that I was requesting an official warning.
I've been back and read that and you made a great introduction to the topic, Kat. Nice and parliamentary.
Trudy Booth - Apr 12, 2003 1:00:32 am PDT #9298 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
The point of the warning would be that we are following established community standards. What is the point of having rules if we don't enforce them?
So we follow the rule just to follow it even if it might make the situation worse?
And even if Zoe behaves this way because she is somehow incapable of adhering to CS, that doesn't mean she gets to violate CS with impugnity.
No. It means that it's annoying but we put up with it because the only other choice is banning which would be totally out of line.
Trudy whips out some Oliver Sacks. I know from neurological stuff. It's irrational and annoying but short of being dangerous there isn't much to be done.
Kat - Apr 12, 2003 1:01:02 am PDT #9299 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
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Elena - Apr 12, 2003 1:04:27 am PDT #9300 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.
So we follow the rule just to follow it even if it might make the situation worse?
I'm sorry, how would it make the situation worse to notify Zoe (or any poster) that her/their behaviour is in violation of CS?
No. It means that it's annoying but we put up with it because the only other choice is banning which would be totally out of line.
Ummm... Why?
arby - Apr 12, 2003 1:05:25 am PDT #9301 of 10001
Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)
The system wasn't really designed for warnings and how to issue them. I think it was a rating system and once your approval rating dropped below X then you were voted off Buffista island for a period of time.
That's a whole 'nother ball of wax - then people *have* to vote, whereas in my vision you only vote (or flag, mark, etc.) if you're seriously pissed, offended or upset. The votes are negative instead of positive, see. AND it's not completely automatic, because Stompies get brought in early on. Of course, it would increase the workload of being a Stompy immensely.
Trudy Booth - Apr 12, 2003 1:06:05 am PDT #9302 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Because it's the first step. And because it's a fair start. If she isn't warned then she has no way of knowing the extent to which her behavior irritates.
Either she already knows and doesn't care (or enjoys it) or she just can't get it. I reeeeeeally think it is the second.
Let's just pretend for a second that it is. What if someone had a disability that made civil discourse not always possible? I think it would be unkind (and by people who CAN do better) to harp on it.