As far as I can see, allowing previous decisions reached by whatever methods to be open for resmooshing has very little in the way of pros, even including the decisions I disagree with. Because we'd be yanking at the yarn that put what we have so far together.

Now, I'm very pro making sure that all our decisions from day forward are clearly announced, up for dedicated discussion, tallied over a long enough period for most people to get a shout in edgewise, and then let be for a predictable length of time. That's why I voted for a vote.

Not because I thought the decisions we'd made before were faulty, inasmuch as the methods were perhaps not representative.

In the calmer light of day, I do wonder if the POV that means we can re-examine the war thread also thinks that any and all previous decisions are up for re-examination, and if so, why that's not potentially deleterious.

Cereal! My first ever in Bureaucracy:

So I think appealling to the emotional is not an unfair thing to do because the emotional side of who we are is part of who we are.

It can, however, be a wicked disruptive thing to do. And it can throw us all off-topic, if used uncautiously. I can certainly understand appeals to emotion as a tool in the persuasion toolbox, but it's the undiplomatic ranting that only makes more feelings get hurt that bothers me. I see it a lot in this thread recently, hence my appeal for library voices.

You know, saying things that are emotionally true, but not shouting them in everyone's ear.

Decent, reasonable people can disagree, vehemently. Courteous people can disagree vehemently without casting aspersions on their opponents' reasoning power.

You rang?

Okay, username joke. Because you can't disagree Nutty, only nuttily. See? Adverbs are good!

FYI, we were linked to at Whedonesque again.

Adverbs are bad!

Show, don't tell!

You incompetent ficcer, you!

That's frustrating. Didn't we ask them to stop?

I've seen links to that post in about 6 different large BTVS forums.

I think we need to add "Doblerize" to the FAQ.

My proposed version (hack at will):

In Say Anything, the hero, Lloyd Dobler, confronts a friend who is drunk and being difficult. Dobler gets in his face and shouts "You. Must. Chill!" So to Doblerize is to tell somebody (possibly yourself) to calm down and step away from the ugly bag.

Brain: sieve. What's a sieve again?

[edited to add movie title]

Say Anything is the title.

The movie is Say Anything.

A sieve is one of those things that stuff falls through.

Failing to Doblerize makes Joe lie. And cry.

Sorry. Been looking at too many meta-fandom icons.

backs away slowly

ETA: I think it should go in the FAQ as well. See? Post not totally useless. :)