it's not an actual consensus
Yeah, it's not a consensus consensus but I don't think those actually exist in the real world. It's more a mostly consensus consensus.
Mercy is the mark of a great man. Guess I'm just a good man. Well, I'm all right.
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Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier
A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.
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bitterchick - Mar 20, 2003 4:09:53 pm PST #8249 of 10001
Nutty - Mar 20, 2003 4:10:08 pm PST #8250 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
On the Bureaucracy front, we still have no Voting Discussion Thread!
Can we create the threads we have voted in, before proposing new ones of any kind? Come on, people! Where's that happy false consensus?
Wolfram - Mar 20, 2003 4:11:42 pm PST #8251 of 10001
Visilurking
23 people were against, 9 people were for and 2 were undecided.
From m-w.com
Consensus:
1 a : general agreement : UNANIMITY b : the judgment arrived at by most of those concerned
2 : group solidarity in sentiment and belief
Those results were not a: general agreement : UNANIMIY and were not b: the judgment arrived at by most of those concerned - because that would be most of active members. Those results reflect only members who posted on the topic in this thread weeks before the actual war.
No vote was taken and not consensus was reached. With all due respect to bitterchick and everyone else who feels this decision was decided, it wasn't. I don't think every old decision should be up for re-discussion, but I also don't think it's fair to close off a topic that for all practical purposes was discussed for less than two days (most of it on a Sunday) by the posters in this thread.
Jesse - Mar 20, 2003 4:12:55 pm PST #8252 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
I'm with Nutty on the need to open the discussion thread.
Call it Formal Discussion 1: We Can't Think of Anything Witty.
Betsy HP - Mar 20, 2003 4:13:03 pm PST #8253 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
Wolfram,
For most of the existence of the board we did things by "consensus" not by the strict dictionary meaning of the word, but by meaning "there's an overwhelming sentiment in favor and none of the opposers are bitter about it."
We have different rules now. Fine. But this one was genuinely decided by the old rules.
bitterchick - Mar 20, 2003 4:13:13 pm PST #8254 of 10001
Okay, I'm letting someone else field this one. I need a cigarette.
Deena - Mar 20, 2003 4:13:27 pm PST #8255 of 10001
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara
Except, Wolfram, that's how it was done before the voting, and that's what voting was set up to fix, but it was also decided at the same time that we wouldn't go back and rethink the previous decisions.
Gandalfe - Mar 20, 2003 4:14:03 pm PST #8256 of 10001
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.
I don't think every old decision should be up for re-discussion, but I also don't think it's fair to close off a topic that for all practical purposes was discussed for less than two days (most of it on a Sunday) by the posters in this thread.
And, I must mention, under much different circumstances.
Betsy HP - Mar 20, 2003 4:14:36 pm PST #8257 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
It is one thing to codify the new procedure. But to object to the old procedure because it wasn't codified ... that wasn't how we handled things then. We didn't all, 100%, agree on naming the board the Phoenix. We didn't all, 100%, agree that there should be no graphics. We just mostly agreed, and that was good enough for us.
A decision is not invalid because we made it before the new process was in place.
Nutty - Mar 20, 2003 4:16:08 pm PST #8258 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
Wolfram, all due respect in return, but have you watched the Buffista decision-making process in action? If the topic didn't have enough steam to be really and truly discussed, then it failed to go any further. If we talked about it for 400 posts, and some said yea and some nay, but enough said yea often enough, then it went further and eventually got created. Witness: the music thread.
And anyway, the large majority at the time were against, and the minority didn't pursue it. That's a decision made, and that means in all fairness that we shouldn't be re-making it just because of changes in procedure now.