Don't pay any attention to me; I am just testing to make sure the empty table of vote results looks like I planned. I will put the real thing up after midnight, but I am leaving town about 5AM so I don't want to be fussing with it later. Testing and deleting...

edit - Yay! It worked.

Also in the let it lie camp.

One argument for making it more public would be that, as askye posted, Mieskie has written privately to Buffistas and "assured" them that he's not Mieskie. That's a creepy situation to be in, and it's even more creepy now if he's been deactivated and you don't know about it yet.

Also, no argument based on doing something as a "courtesy to Anathema" works with me, you won't be surprised to hear. We do not owe the guy any courtesy.

I figure if people wonder where he went, they'll post "Where'd Anathema go?" And then some kind soul can Nilly the post for them. It's not like the announcement wasn't public. It was plenty public and was discussed a whole bunch in the thread dedicated to such issues.

I say we let it be. t /Beatles

Well, see what I get for skimming Kafka. I'll miss him.

Also, no argument based on doing something as a "courtesy to Anathema" works with me, you won't be surprised to hear. We do not owe the guy any courtesy.

This is the first and last time I will say anything, but yes, as a fellow human being, we sure as hell do.

And I am stating on the record that I'm ashamed to see the level of "No Forgiveness. Ever." WRT this matter. It's snide, and it's childish, and it's every bit as cliquey and exclusive as we've been accused of being.

Without sin. First stone.

We've all, assuming there are no saints among us, done stupid things we've later regretted. Demonizing a person who mistook this for Joe Average Board and behaved like a standard Usenetter? It doesn't make you look like a good person to do so. Because, bare truth here, every board claims to Not Be That, and while he was VERY wrong to act like he did in his first incarnation, once he did understand that no, things really were different here, he behaved well, and contributed.

I have seen the reverse case (sock puppets where respected community members flame people from an anon. safety net, ID) in my time online (not here, to be clear).

I have seen people here not want to be associated with previous online incarnations of their own. They're honest about who they were, but push comes to shove, that's the only difference.

He never lied to me, but I never asked him flat out. I figured it was him, but hell, I was willing to let sleeping dogs lie, because I came to actually like the guy.

I really thought people had a little more forgiveness in them. Sad to be proven wrong.

What Plei Said.

I'm ashamed to see the level of "No Forgiveness. Ever." WRT this matter. It's snide, and it's childish, and it's every bit as cliquey and exclusive as we've been accused of being.

I just don't understand that position. I really really don't understand it. What he did quite literally makes me sick to my stomach. Not an expression. Literally.

Plei makes a great point. I am going to be completely honest and say that her post made me take a hard look at myself and some rather petty, I-knew-it feelings. I've done some things online that I'm not particularly proud of. People were considerate enough to forgive me then.

I am contrite. I am also glad that mieskie chose to try make his exit as painless as possible for the community. He deserves credit for that.

edited to add: John, that's not to say I don't share some of your ill feelings knowing he got away with it.

I'm done with this subject now.

You know how people post "I don't even know you people any more"? As a joke?

That's how I'm feeling right now, only not as a joke.

ita's post said that the admins invited him to come clean, and he "refused".

It also spoke of his "sincere desire" not to cause any more conflict on the board. Forgive me for not seeing sincerity as the hallmark of his time here.

I am also glad that mieskie chose to try make his exit as painless as possible for the community.

As am I, yet still the pain.

I say we let it be.

Please. We all learned something and hopefully we will do better if there is a next time.

Sobbing here. Please can we not go through this again and again.

Maybe a vote on a thread just for this topic so people can dare to come here again.