I had heard also that the mieskie picture was being discussed on LJs.
Livejournal is not this board. Livejournal is backchannel gossip. It doesn't count as "public" no matter how many people are on the Friends list.
And we live to fight another day.
Mal ,'Objects In Space'
Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier
A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.
Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych
Jessica - Mar 15, 2003 9:53:47 am PST #7672 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
bitterchick - Mar 15, 2003 9:54:24 am PST #7673 of 10001
Just to weigh in, given the way that this situation came about, I have no issue with the backchannel aspect. My only problem is that I wish it (the backchanneling) hadn't been referenced on the board. At all. Certainly not until people were ready to say: This is what is going on.
The odd cryptic posts from last night made a lot of people feel uncomfortable and made it seem as though there were some backchannel machinations and secret meetings going on.
Edited to clarify what the hell I was saying.
Jessica - Mar 15, 2003 9:54:33 am PST #7674 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
To my knowledge, Anathema was not banned. Anathema left.
Liese just said his account was deactivated.
DavidS - Mar 15, 2003 9:55:21 am PST #7675 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
It doesn't count as "public" no matter how many people are on the Friends list.
Livejournal is not this community, but it is highly disingenuous to suggest that it isn't public. And the only point I'm making is that there is leakage between this community and various private discussions, some of which are not particularly private.
§ ita § - Mar 15, 2003 9:55:46 am PST #7676 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Liese just said his account was deactivated.
Yeah, because he left, and said to close the door behind him.
He made that decision, not some big lurking cabal.
You can be mad at him for removing the right to choose from you, but not at us.
P.M. Marc - Mar 15, 2003 9:56:02 am PST #7677 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Liese just said his account was deactivated.
Per his request.
DavidS - Mar 15, 2003 9:56:09 am PST #7678 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Liese just said his account was deactivated.
Noting specifically that Anathema himself had personally decided to leave the community.
DXMachina - Mar 15, 2003 9:57:39 am PST #7679 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
So we basically just banned someone for being an asshole over email, yes?
We did not ban Anathema. We presented the information we had to him, and asked that he be the one to come clean with the community so that the community could decide what to do. He declined to do that, and it was he who decided to leave and it was he who asked to have his account deactivated. It was never our intention to unilaterally ban anybody, and if he hadn't decided to bow out, we would've brought it up for discussion.
Jessica - Mar 15, 2003 10:03:48 am PST #7680 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Per his request.
This was not made clear. [edit: My original impression was that the Stompies had given him an ultimatum -- come clean or be banned, and he chose to be banned.]
Hec, Livejournal may be a public forum, but conversations that happen there should not count as public for the purposes of this community, unless they are repeated here. It's backchannel, and it's as irrelevant to any big community decision as a conversation over AIM.
Could I please have the chain of events that led to this spelled out, then? Because, not being privvy to the Livejournal posts or private emails that went into it, I don't understand why it wasn't a decision for the entire community to make.
§ ita § - Mar 15, 2003 10:08:28 am PST #7681 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I don't understand why it wasn't a decision for the entire community to make.
Becuase he made it! What decision would you like to make? Force him back? There was no decision made by anyone other than him.
I'm not privy to these LJ posts either, so I have no opinion on what impact they had on the proceedings. They were backchannel to me until they were brought up here.
It went down like I spelled out upthread. ita "Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier" Mar 14, 2003 11:33:25 pm EST -- it's not more complicated than that.