Wow, you've really mastered the power of positive giving-up.

Cordelia ,'End of Days'


Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


Jesse - Mar 13, 2003 1:53:58 pm PST #7455 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

(just glad this thread can make me laugh again. Carry on.)


amych - Mar 13, 2003 1:58:14 pm PST #7456 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

97!!


Sophia Brooks - Mar 13, 2003 1:59:27 pm PST #7457 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Once a subject has been raised for discussion and formally voted on, the results of that vote will be considered final and no futher discussion of that issue will be permitted for

a) 6 months b) 1 year

I like this, but we were previously thinking that it made too many questions on opne ballot. Does anyone still think this because I would like to add.

I am going to take out the rounding to the nearest 5 and put rounding to the nearest whole number.

Anything else?

I also seem to remember a question as to whether the abstention counted toward the majority (which will necessitate some special type of vote for each yes no abstain vote). Is there still a question? Personally I think it shouldn't, since an abstention means undecided and/or doesn't care one way opr the other.


P.M. Marc - Mar 13, 2003 2:00:37 pm PST #7458 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I like this, but we were previously thinking that it made too many questions on opne ballot. Does anyone still think this because I would like to add.

I'd like the time frame to remain off the ballot, because I think it needs to be discussed more. I think 6 months is too long. Perhaps 3.


brenda m - Mar 13, 2003 2:04:35 pm PST #7459 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I thought about adding three to that, but didn't want to get into the majority issue. And really, six is what I've seen most people advocating, so it seemed to me like something we could get decided without dragging this process on much longer.

I also seem to remember a question as to whether the abstention counted toward the majority (which will necessitate some special type of vote for each yes no abstain vote).

I think the question is whether it counts towards the MVT (which I think it should) - I can't imagine it counting towards the majority. But why would it require a special type of vote?


DavidS - Mar 13, 2003 2:08:48 pm PST #7460 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I think the question is whether it counts towards the MVT (which I think it should) - I can't imagine it counting towards the majority. But why would it require a special type of vote?

Before this wanders off and starts talking and shit, the question was whether abstentions count towards MVT. According to Sophia's research on rules of order and such, that depends on our charter (or consensus or vote or whatthefuckever). Abstentions never count a majority in any of the examples she could find.


Sophia Brooks - Mar 13, 2003 2:13:07 pm PST #7461 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

There was a post WAY earlier that was advocating

Yes No Abstain

For every ballot, and if ONE of those didn't get a majority we wouldn't do anything.

So if

yes 50% (50 people)
no 25% (25 people)
abstain (25 people)

No action would be taken.

Instead of

yes 67 % (50 people) no 33% (25 people) abstain 25 people

Where yes would win.


brenda m - Mar 13, 2003 2:14:04 pm PST #7462 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

David! I never see you anymore!

Thanks, Sophia. Can I assume that that (very silly, IMO) notion has been dropped?


Dana - Mar 13, 2003 2:15:22 pm PST #7463 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Okay. I'm trying hard to follow along.

Does MVT refer to the highest number of people that vote on a particular ballot, or will it be tracked by individual question? That's the first thing I want to know before thinking about abstentions.


DavidS - Mar 13, 2003 2:15:25 pm PST #7464 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

David! I never see you anymore!

pops up from behind bush of constant hiding and waves furtively

How much longer is this discussion open, btw? Two more days?