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Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

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Cindy - Mar 13, 2003 9:35:38 am PST #7405 of 10001
Nobody

All right. What I would like to know is, on average (say for the past week) can we tell how many unique users posted at least once a day in a given thread. Or even, rather than average, pick a day out of the hat. On Tuesday, can we tell how many unique users posted at least once in Natter, Bitches, Buffy, Angel and Firefly?


Cindy - Mar 13, 2003 9:36:55 am PST #7406 of 10001
Nobody

I think if only 20 people care enough to vote on something, there's something seriously wrong with us.

But if we set up our system so that the conflict-averse among us don't even have to vote "no" to shut something down, I'm afraid that's what will happen.


Jesse - Mar 13, 2003 9:37:11 am PST #7407 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I'm sure someone could find that out. It would probably take some time, and I'm not the person to do it, but I'm sure someone could. I mean, you could do it manually, by figuring out the post range you wanted, threadsucking, and then playing around with the posts you've just sucked.


§ ita § - Mar 13, 2003 9:38:30 am PST #7408 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think if only 20 people care enough to vote on something, there's something seriously wrong with us.

What would be wrong with us, and if it were, how would one fix it?

Personally, I think if that thing is wrong with us, so be it.


Am-Chau Yarkona - Mar 13, 2003 9:40:14 am PST #7409 of 10001
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

ita, is it possible to tell how many user ids logged in? It makes sense for a regualr lurker to log in, and while this wouldn't tell us which threads they read, it would go some way towards 'regular user' numbers.


Jesse - Mar 13, 2003 9:40:22 am PST #7410 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

What would be wrong with us, and if it were, how would one fix it?

Personally, I think if that thing is wrong with us, so be it.

Yeah, I don't know. I was just making the argument. I don't have much deeper thoughts on the whole thing. I wanna see more arguments!


Cindy - Mar 13, 2003 9:44:47 am PST #7411 of 10001
Nobody

ita - an infinite number of posts back, didn't you think that if someone proposed we change the board's language to Swahili and only 8 of us could be arsed to vote, and 5 of us voted yes, then the board should be in Swahili?

I'm asking because, I think if we give Buffistas a range between 1 and 100 (or 2 and 100, or 10 and 100), we're going to come up with an average of 50 to 60. Theory of central tendency blah blah blah.

I don't know whether or not requiring 50 people to show up to vote before a vote can be counted is going to be a reasonable number. Maybe it is. Maybe it's an underestimate and maybe we have 200 unique users posting every day in the more popular threads. Maybe it's an overestimate, and we only have 50 unique users showing up in the popular threads. I have no confidence that averaging our favorite number out of one hundred is going to set a decent threshhold.

My own preference happens to skew low, but I would feel the same way if it skewed high.


Cindy - Mar 13, 2003 9:47:40 am PST #7412 of 10001
Nobody

Oh and the reason posters count more than lurkers in cases where we're voting on a new thread, is because lurkers don't post, and threads need posts to be active.


§ ita § - Mar 13, 2003 9:51:28 am PST #7413 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

didn't you think that if someone proposed we change the board's language to Swahili and only 8 of us could be arsed to vote, and 5 of us voted yes, then the board should be in Swahili?

Absolutely. I'm a proponent for no MVT, obviously, and despite me asking, no one's pitched to me, so I still fail to get the point. I'd hoped to get the point, but instead will probably vote for the lowest MVT.

But whatever range we put, your argument implies the result will tend to the middle. So, 2-100 = about 50, and 20-65 = about 40. I don't think that average is a good solution, but I'm hardly going to argue at this point, since I'm bereft of better ideas.


Jesse - Mar 13, 2003 9:54:55 am PST #7414 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Now I want to know about posters. For Natter, the posts on March 11 went from 8454 to 9149. I don't know how to find the number of unique posters except manually, so I'm not going to, but if someone else wants to.....