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Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier
A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.
Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych
Java cat - Mar 12, 2003 9:02:38 pm PST #7361 of 10001
Not javachik
John H - Mar 12, 2003 9:15:03 pm PST #7362 of 10001
the people who were using the phrase "bullshit consensus" before need to realize that complaining about the phrase "Gang of 14" now is more than a little hypocritical
The phrase "bullshit consensus" applied to people doing things which they wanted, which the majority of the buffistas probably didn't want. It contained the implication that people were arriving at a "consensus" of a few likeminded people, as few as five or six, and taking action, while people were looking the other way, whether deliberate or not.
The phrase "Gang of Fourteen", which doesn't bug me in the least, applied to people doing something which an overwhelming majority of Buffistas voted for: setting up a voting system. And doing it in public. And doing it slowly. And doing it in great and very careful detail. And listening to each other.
That's why it's not, as far as I can see, hypocritical to complain about one, then complain about the other.
Rebecca Lizard - Mar 12, 2003 9:30:34 pm PST #7363 of 10001
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket
t softly Go "X-treme"! Choose "X-treme"!
John H - Mar 12, 2003 9:31:42 pm PST #7364 of 10001
And go now, because 9 is finished.
Daisy Jane - Mar 12, 2003 9:34:39 pm PST #7365 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."
Where's our new thread?
John H - Mar 12, 2003 9:36:07 pm PST #7366 of 10001
Exactly.
Who's around?
victor infante - Mar 12, 2003 9:37:00 pm PST #7367 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
No other stompies?
OK, I'll do it, but it might take a few, as I'm at work.
Nutty - Mar 12, 2003 9:38:04 pm PST #7368 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
Guys, for the record and because DXM isn't here, it was very clear in the original post that Ed was talking about stats for the whole thread, from the very first way before voting became a discussion topic, to end [at the time], of Bureaucracy. (And for that matter, as a point of interest, not a point of gripe and/or accusation.) His original stats and John H's stats aren't the same stats, not least because DXM has been away for probably 70% of this most recent discussion as John H quantified it.
Also, as I think was pointed out by yours truly about 100 posts ago, "Gang of 14" (and for that matter, "bullshit consensus") is impolitic and rude and we might all agree to stop using it and arguing over it? Especially if it's going to turn into a series of backhanded barbs?
P.M. Marc - Mar 12, 2003 9:38:18 pm PST #7369 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
The phrase "Gang of Fourteen", which doesn't bug me in the least, applied to people doing something which an overwhelming majority of Buffistas voted for: setting up a voting system. And doing it in public. And doing it slowly. And doing it in great and very careful detail. And listening to each other.
Err, as the coiner, no it didn't. It applied to the fact that Kafka, even pre-vote vote, was mainly frequented by a smallish number of people, and specifically, that saying "Hey! Consensus!" among that small number, with regards to the way we were thinking about doing something, was just as false a consensus as the supposedly false consensus that lead up to this whole mess.
P.M. Marc - Mar 12, 2003 9:39:44 pm PST #7370 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
And is someone making new natter?