I meant one proposal, 2 votes.

4a. Do you want seconds?

4b if seconds win, how many do you want?

Maybe re-word 4b to "if you want seconds, or have an opinion on how many, even though you are against seconds, how many do you feel should be required?" ? or something?

No, that is OK. We just haven't decided on whether or not we need seconds yet. The MVT was on the previous ballot.

OK slightly amended MVT Number Proposal:

PROPOSAL: that we allow Buffistas to just tell us the number they think is right for Minimum Voter Turnout.

Details: we ask for a number between 10 and 100 and reject other numbers. We round to the nearest five.

Wow! So statistical analysis is cool, but a preferential ballot is too complicated? t eyeroll

bitterchick - All that's ever been proposed with respect to preferential balloting is that we use it to determine the secondses and the MVT. That's all.

The issue that was raised with using a mean, mode, median, whatever, is that no one ends up happy. With a preferential ballot, most people get their first or second choice. With a mean, etc., you could end up in a middle that no one wants.

That said, I'm not opposed to using a mean if it means (heh!) that we'll have this fucking vote already.

Pardon my French.

John - it's easy enough to code the ballot so that numbers outside the range error out. I don't think you need to say that we will "reject" them.

it's easy enough to code the ballot so that numbers outside the range error out. I don't think you need to say that we will "reject" them.

Fair enough -- how about coding the form so that the vote is not accepted unless/until all the numbers are in range, are you up for that?

how about coding the form so that the vote is not accepted unless/until all the numbers are in range, are you up for that?

Easy peasy.

t edit which is to say, that's what I meant.

PROPOSAL: that we allow Buffistas to just tell us the number they think is right for Minimum Voter Turnout.

Details: we ask for a number between 10 and 100. The voting form will ask you to vote again if your numbers are out of range. We round to the nearest five.

Okay, now I understand. For awhile there, I was starting to feel like an idiot and, hey, Calculus 3 may have kicked my ass but I made through 2 so not a complete idiot. Most of the time, anyway.

Right now, I'm leaning towards the current proposal of how we decide MVT because it makes sense to me. You guys used small words. I'm a happy girl.

I don’t know why I still think this should be a fairly simple process. But I do think it should be simple. Clearly for the board to function it needs bureaucracy as well as code. That is why the bureaucracy thread exists.

Some people will never visit this thread or will take a peak and flee. I never visit the Due South or Music threads. They do not intimidate me or frustrate me, it is just not where my interests lie. I am not the most vocal here, but bureaucracy does interest me so I participate. I don’t think that people not interested in bureaucracy should be forced to participate. I will not be forced to live in Sang Sacre no matter how much fun it might be.

This thread may rack up large numbers in post counts, but I would not expect the number of active participants to be the same as the show or natter threads.

I am very much in agreement with Sophia in wanting desperately to find a way to make this process less upsetting to people. I truly believe that when whatever process is established it will be less stressful for everyone.

Hey, it is after my bedtime, so I'm starting to ramble. Good night all. Peace.