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Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


Trudy Booth - Mar 04, 2003 2:40:59 pm PST #6760 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Bureaucracy II: Screw Kafka, we're talkin' Beckett.


Jon B. - Mar 04, 2003 2:41:21 pm PST #6761 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

People could say that something should win ONLY if it's the MAJORITY of people's first choice. If votes are more evenly spread, nothing happens.

Oh Jesse! Always making things complicated! ;)

Paul - Is that what you meant? Because I'm still not understanding how your (1) is exclusive of (3).


Cindy - Mar 04, 2003 2:41:30 pm PST #6762 of 10001
Nobody

A lot of people weren't considering voting systems or ballots with more than one cholce on them at all. Or they might be happy with lots of runoffs.

And at least some people not only do not mind, but are good with letting the most votes win, whether it's a 50%+1 majority or not. Some people are fine with the Pick One - Now Which one got the most method.


Nutty - Mar 04, 2003 2:41:56 pm PST #6763 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

That's in the FAQ.

And it's pretty fricken hilarious. There was that part about force-feeding a lamp electrons, or setting it on fire.


Betsy HP - Mar 04, 2003 2:42:31 pm PST #6764 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Bureaucracy II: No Exit.


John H - Mar 04, 2003 2:43:38 pm PST #6765 of 10001

OK, joking aside, we are really getting somewhere aren't we?

Proposal for a clearup vote, due to the confusion of some voters last time.


§ ita § - Mar 04, 2003 2:45:20 pm PST #6766 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Proposal for a clearup vote, due to the confusion of some voters last time.

We were there before I went to lunch. I'm worried we've left.


PaulJ - Mar 04, 2003 2:46:22 pm PST #6767 of 10001

Paul - Is that what you meant? Because I'm still not understanding how your (1) is exclusive of (3).

Well, my implicit assumption during all of this time was that either a proposal won the first time or it didn't. In other words: those who want a 51% majority would be implicitly voting that, if there's no such majority, no action should be taken. No run-offs, no second rounds of voting (which the preferential option is designed to avoid, actually).


PaulJ - Mar 04, 2003 2:46:54 pm PST #6768 of 10001

Bureaucracy 2: the REAL politics thread.


John H - Mar 04, 2003 2:47:32 pm PST #6769 of 10001

Proposal for a clearup vote, due to the confusion of some voters last time.

We were there before I went to lunch. I'm worried we've left.

We're still there but people want to add stuff to it.

I say don't add anything to it, because if we don't require 50%+1 (still outstanding) then we don't require preferential voting.

So if 50%+1 loses to "most votes wins" then prefs voting is irrelevant, isn't that right? Except in the case where two options get exactly the same number of votes.