In many of the threads I visit, people are saying "What's going on in Bureaucracy? I'm afraid to look." And people are replying "You really don't want to know."

This is a really bad sign.

I honestly think that the solution is not to find better ways to make decisions more efficiently. The solution is to stop picking at the scab for awhile.

What I'm trying to do is have the membership imbue a few members with special dispensation

See that, right there? Noooooo. We have Stompies out of necessity, because once we moved to WX, we needed an admin or two to create threads and fix things. That's it. That's all.

What I'm trying to do is have the membership imbue a few members with special dispensation to bitch, moan, harangue, argue, scream, wail, and stomp on behalf of the rest of us.

Wolfram, I know what you're asking for. I understand your proposition.

I just disagree with it. I have heard your argument and I do not find it persuasive. Saying it again is not going to persuade me.

What I'm trying to do is have the membership imbue a few members with special dispensation to bitch, moan, harangue, argue, scream, wail, and stomp on behalf of the rest of us.

We all have that power already, to an extent. Except for the screaming and wailing. It bothers us.

I went dark grey just before all this started. FTR, I would have voted "No Voting."

Carry on, I'll be over in the corner.

I honestly think that the solution is not to find better ways to make decisions more efficiently. The solution is to stop picking at the scab for awhile.

I've rethought my position on shutting up about this for a while, because one of the specific things that was voted on was a discussion period, which isn't even 1/2 over yet.

But I think that we NEED a new thread for this shit, and we need it pretty much now.

We do not need a government. We do not want a government. The Stompies were chosen primarily based on their coding skills and timezone availability (for starting new threads). They are not, have never been, and will never be moderators of any kind.

This and Betsy's cocktail comment are key, IMHO.

The baby's good Wolfram. Beautiful, red-gold eyed, white-haired and a pain in the butt in the middle of the night, but definitely beautiful.

I'm still disagreeing with you, just in case you were wondering (and so this is not a nattery post).

a lot of people are going to go elsewhere for their fun.

Yup. Because, you know what? It's not fun anymore.

I haven't read this thread in quite a while, and catching this endless discussion that RESULTS IN NOTHING has reminded me why.

I go along, and post in Bitches and Natter and Farscape and Fic, and I'll tell you something: all the bickering in this thread might not as well be happening. Do you understand that? It doesn't affect my day-to-day Buffista-ing.

*If* there is ever a resolution (which I doubt there will be), will people's day-to-day Buffista-ing be affected? Seriously, will it be affected THAT much? So there's a new War thread, or an I Love Clem thread. Big deal.

This is nuts, folks. I love this board, and I love a great deal of you who I've gotten to know.

But THIS, right here, is NUTS. It's not making anyone happy.

I'm going back to my threads. Bicker all you like. Good luck.

But I think that we NEED a new thread for this shit, and we need it pretty much now.

Um, why? This is administrativa.