I do not want to get into preferential voting right now. The discussion on what the hell that means seems to need to continue, if it's an option. Because about 5 posters are convinced they grok it.

Well, then, frankly, if it can't be explained in a way that the majority of the voters don't get it/like it, it probably gets voted down.

Typo, the dicking around comment was not directed at you. It was directed at the process in general, which has seemed to devolve into endless dicking around on proposals that should be voted upon.

And I regret posting. Sorry. I have tried ever so hard to stay out of this discussion, but I saw people getting very upset so I tried to see if I help get things back on task. Probably that was a mistake. And I will go back to staying out of things.

So I scrolled. No, actually, I skimmed. When I mentioned my frustration last night, I wasn't trying to get anyone to "shut up" because I was upset. I actually wasn't upset. I was annoyed and reading this thread was giving me a headache and I didn't want to have to read it anymore.

It feels like we are trying to reinvent the wheel here. Except we're not. This is a posting board. If you want to be warm and fuzzy, it's an internet community. We are not deciding on whether or not to go to war or how much the federal minimum wage rate should be or what the future of social security is.

And the worst part of these discussions is that I don't think they ever actually get us anywhere. The conversation gets all theoretical and circular and nothing moves forward. People can spit statistics all they want and compare and constrast the difference in voting methods in Bali and Barrundi but it doesn't mean jack here. We're not even a fourth world country. We're a leetle tiny website.

I need more Tylenol now.

ETA: Or I could have saved all that typing and just repeated this

We are overthinking. This is not a government. This is not a science fiction convention. This is a party. A large, diffuse cocktail party.

Good lord, two more days of this? No one's going to be speaking to anyone.

Okay, so then let's prove the idiocy of the previously voted-upon process by flagrantly disregarding it in our first official vote. I for one will be very amused.

I'm done being catty, now I am just seeking clarification. We had a proposal to determine the MVT. But I take it that has been tabled and we are now deciding to "vote" on something that isn't actually a vote, it's more of a poll to determine what people voted for. Shouldn't we call it a poll instead?

We are overthinking. This is not a government. This is not a science fiction convention. This is a party. A large, diffuse cocktail party.

Yes, this. And to go back to conversation this morning, if, in a real-life group of people who like each other, one person says, "Hey, could we not talk about this right now?" people generally stop talking about it right now. Not because they feel oppressed by the one person, but as a nice gesture. It doesn't necessarily mean the topic is forbidden for all time, but it means we aren't going to talk about it right now.

Double-post.

But I will add that this whole conversation has taken so many twists and turns, I have no idea what we're even discussing.

Okay, so then let's prove the idiocy of the previously voted-upon process by flagrantly disregarding it in our first official vote. I for one will be very amused.

LMAO. But seriously, I don't think this is a new vote. I think this is amendment to clarify the will of the voters on the previous ballot.

OK, I had to skip about 300 messages, and I have to say that I don't see how we got from "here are the results of the vote" to here.

We voted for having a quorum, right? Did we decide on the size of the quorum? It seems like that would be the first issue.

Also, I have to say I really really dislike the idea of having officers. A lot.

But given how this whole process has gone I won't accept rudeness. I really want an apology from Anthama for the "dicking" comment.

I would look at it in the context of... well, the context of the 300 or so last posts in this thread. I think that, while no one else used that word, there are many people who might have been thinking of similar ones when trying to describe the last 24 hours in this thread. IOW, I saw it not as an insult, but more as a "let's stop arguing in circles and actually get something done".

IJS.

But seriously, I don't think this is a new vote. I think this is amendment to clarify the will of the voters on the previous ballot.

That's why I was asking if "poll" would be a better term. We aren't trying to change the vote, just determine what people thought they were voting for, right?