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Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


billytea - Mar 03, 2003 8:47:44 am PST #6192 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

I am sorry, I know I am 12, but: BWAH-HA-HA-HA!

Heh. "Vote for Stanley Bear's-Breath McKneegrasper - the only candidate who gives a crap, about YOU."


bon bon - Mar 03, 2003 8:49:59 am PST #6193 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

My only proposal is that we call it anything but the Supreme Court thread, because of issues with making sense. That is all.


Am-Chau Yarkona - Mar 03, 2003 8:52:42 am PST #6194 of 10001
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

Imagine the election like a whole series of runoffs. Each round, the candidate with the lowest number of votes gets eliminated and everyone who voted for him votes for one of the remaining candidates. Eventually you're left with only two candidates, and one of them will beat the other with over 50% of the vote. Only, because all the voters provided a full ranking at the start, the counters can work through all the runoffs automatically without anyone having to vote more than once.

I'm with you. It's the same as proportional representaion, at least as I understand it.

I'm in favour of doing things that way for complicated questions, where there's more than two or three 'candidates'.


Jon B. - Mar 03, 2003 8:57:51 am PST #6195 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I normally know what I like and what I don't like, but I don't really differentiate between my 3rd and 4th favorites out of a field of 5. But I can see the argument that it makes the outcome more accurately reflect the vox populi.

I understand that, but in the case of determining the quorum size, I don't think it's too difficult. For instance, let's say there are five choices: 10, 20, 30, 40, and 50. You decide that your first choice is 50. In all likelyhood, your subsequent choices will be 40, 30, 20 and a last choice of 10, right? It's not that much harder if your first choice is 30. Your second and third choices would probably be 40 and 20 (or vice versa), and your fourth and fifth choices would be 50 and 10 (or vice versa).


billytea - Mar 03, 2003 8:57:58 am PST #6196 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

I'm with you. It's the same as proportional representaion, at least as I understand it.

Proportional representation is something different. Where you have an electorate that elects more than one representative (for instance, in Australia each state elects six, occasionally twelve, senators in each election), proportional representation aims to have the number of candidates from that electorate in roughly the same proportions as they got votes. (So if you have six seats, and party A got 15,000 votes, party B got 10,000 and party C got 5,000, then they should get 3 seats, 2 seats and 1 seat respectively.)

Preferential voting as described above is still for single-member electorates, or IOW elections where there can be only one winner.


DXMachina - Mar 03, 2003 9:01:06 am PST #6197 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

My only proposal is that we call it anything but the Supreme Court thread, because of issues with making sense. That is all.

How about "The Council of Watchers" thread, just to remind us that we only want to go there as a last resort.


Am-Chau Yarkona - Mar 03, 2003 9:05:27 am PST #6198 of 10001
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

Proportional representation is something different. Where you have an electorate that elects more than one representative (for instance, in Australia each state elects six, occasionally twelve, senators in each election), proportional representation aims to have the number of candidates from that electorate in roughly the same proportions as they got votes. (So if you have six seats, and party A got 15,000 votes, party B got 10,000 and party C got 5,000, then they should get 3, 2 and 1 seat respectively.)

Quoted because I needed to read it again.

So, same system, different applications because of the different results needed?

And this is rapidly turning into natter of sorts. Sorry.


billytea - Mar 03, 2003 9:09:20 am PST #6199 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

So, same system, different applications because of the different results needed?

Different applications at least. Prop rep isn't 'winner takes all'. Obviously, the sorts of things we'll be putting up for voting will be 'winner takes all' - we're going to make a single decision.

(Australia's senatorial elections do have some features in common with preferential voting, but that would get very complicated to explain, and isn't really relevant to the question facing the Buffistas.)


Betsy HP - Mar 03, 2003 10:33:38 am PST #6200 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Jen, can you edit your press posting so that it links to the questions? Off the top of my head I couldn't remember which was 2 and which was 3.


Jon B. - Mar 03, 2003 10:39:58 am PST #6201 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I took care of it, Betsy.