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Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

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John H - Feb 26, 2003 10:44:46 pm PST #5705 of 10001

Should she then round up ten people who don't care?

In another 6 months/year, sure.

Sorry to be dim, but I don't get that.

OK the principle is the same, just divided by ten.

Six yes-votes, two no-votes, one abstention = 9 voters = no Aly thread for Lizard.

But if she gets one more person to show up and say "hell, I don't care, it's all the same to me" then she gets a thread?

She doesn't need more yes-votes, she doesn't want more no-votes, but by calling on the apathy vote, she gets her way?


brenda m - Feb 26, 2003 10:45:07 pm PST #5706 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I could see raising it for major issues.


§ ita § - Feb 26, 2003 10:46:10 pm PST #5707 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The quorum, as I understood it, is to get a discussion started. Once it's started, no matter how the vote goes, it can't be raised again for an undetermined period of time. The vote may be simple majority, it may not.

Some people have already stated their intent to quora for discussions they won't vote on.


DavidS - Feb 26, 2003 10:49:53 pm PST #5708 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Would every issue have the same quorum? That seems ... flat.

Bigger quorum for "constitutional" issues, maybe. Which may also require more than simple majority.

I think quorum isn't just to start the discussion in the proposed Supreme Court thread or trigger a vote, but to ensure the validity of the vote. A certain number of people would need to vote for it to be valid.


brenda m - Feb 26, 2003 10:49:53 pm PST #5709 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

The quorum, as I understood it, is to get a discussion started.

I don't think that's how the current question reads. Some people were making a distinction between seconds, which is what I'd call what you're talking about, and a quorum, which only comes into effect at vote time.

I'm not completely sold on the idea that we need either, but especially the quorum.

Which we're voting on, so we shall see.


§ ita § - Feb 26, 2003 10:52:08 pm PST #5710 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Whoops. Sorry. Still, once the vote is done, the thinking was to make the discussion stop for a period, right? So not winning is losing, however it goes down?


brenda m - Feb 26, 2003 10:53:48 pm PST #5711 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I'd say so. But your yes votes don't have to exceed no votes and abstentions combined, just the nos.


DavidS - Feb 26, 2003 10:54:44 pm PST #5712 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Still, once the vote is done, the thinking was to make the discussion stop for a period, right?

I think the idea was just to see if there was will to move towards voting and how that would work. I expect once voting is in place, there will probably be a period where folks try to prioritize a few things for voting on. There were a lot of issues which were put aside until we could establish a process of decision.


John H - Feb 26, 2003 10:56:43 pm PST #5713 of 10001

Some people were making a distinction between seconds, which is what I'd call what you're talking about, and a quorum, which only comes into effect at vote time.

I was imagining it that way. Rebecca says on Bureaucracy that she wants the thread. If nobody even says "fair enough, that's worth a vote" then it just stops right there. You have to have at least some backing to get to the vote stage.

Then the vote, which isn't binding unless n people vote. And which she doesn't win unless the yes-votes are greater than the no-votes by a certain proportion.


§ ita § - Feb 26, 2003 10:57:39 pm PST #5714 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I understand that, Hec. My question, however, is wasn't that what was being tossed around?

There are no concrete answers for John, so I'm going for the tone of the discussion.