I don't like vampires. I'm gonna take a stand and say they're not good.

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Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


billytea - Feb 26, 2003 8:01:13 am PST #5633 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Okay two things. As to the simple majority thing first. This is decides whether you think an item needs only one half + 1 of the votes to win, or if you'd think any proposal ought to win a higher percentage of the votes before we put it in.

One minor confusion: it basically says to vote yes if you think any proposal should be decided by a simple majority, and no if you think any proposal should be decided by a higher majority. I like the idea of some things being decided by simple majority, but major stuff needing a higher majority. On a strict wording, the above options don't allow for that position.

(I don't think it's a problem. Tracking through the implications, it's pretty clear that a 'no' vote would allow further fine-tuning, while the 'yes' vote's a more ready-made package.)


Michele T. - Feb 26, 2003 8:09:38 am PST #5634 of 10001
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

I'm getting an "invalid e-mail address" error on the poll page, even though it's got my address there and it looks right.


Cindy - Feb 26, 2003 8:13:26 am PST #5635 of 10001
Nobody

Michelle - I notice your email isn't in your profile. I don't know if that has anything to do with it or not though, because Steph's email address is in her profile.

Cindy--

Do you think you could link to the post in Press as a clarification? Wolfram and I can't be the only poor souls who need a Quorums for Dummies (TM) explaination.

I cross posted it instead, Sophia.

edited to add the ">"


DXMachina - Feb 26, 2003 8:40:27 am PST #5636 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

6. David mentions consensus and banning procedures: [link]

My comments are actually at post 1840.

Here's the actual link to David's post (remember that the displayed post number at WX often doesn't match the system post number due to deletions):

[link]


Sophia Brooks - Feb 26, 2003 8:41:58 am PST #5637 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Thanks DX. I was really nodding off at that point!


billytea - Feb 26, 2003 8:43:39 am PST #5638 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

DX, I think you have your login in that link.


DXMachina - Feb 26, 2003 8:45:13 am PST #5639 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Thanks, billytea.


Beverly - Feb 26, 2003 8:53:20 am PST #5640 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Just a quick word to everybody who stuck with this and didn't let it devolve into another dead end discussion. All the folks who did the work, all the people who brought up points major and minor and everyone who addressed those points, made the ballot, made the ballot available and workable, and those who posted the announcements.

Personally, my head has been full of sludge the last couple of days and comprehending everything has been difficult for me, but I've read every post (some four or five times till I was sure I got it). Very much like ita, I tend to speak my piece about a subject once or twice, then wander away and let others hash it out. I'm glad I stayed with the discussion and the process this time. I hope and believe this process will be generally accepted, streamlined and useful in the future, and will help negate that feeling of itchy-irritatedness that's been plaguing Phoenix's atmo of late.

I love you all, thank you from my heart for your dedication and tenacity.

eta:spelling


Wolfram - Feb 26, 2003 9:52:58 am PST #5641 of 10001
Visilurking

Do you think you could link to the post in Press as a clarification? Wolfram and I can't be the only poor souls who need a Quorums for Dummies (TM) explaination.

The confusing part for me is in the following paragraph in item 2 (Quorum vote):

A no vote on this item signifies the voter wants implemented the decision of the majority** of voters who participated, regardless of the number of total votes. (empasis added.)

If I may suggest, at this late date, a change in the text to read:

A no vote on this item signifies the voter does not feel a minimum* number of community members need vote on any item in order for the vote to count.


meara - Feb 26, 2003 9:53:26 am PST #5642 of 10001

I like the idea of some things being decided by simple majority, but major stuff needing a higher majority

That's why I voted no to the simple majority. Even though I think most things are fine that way.