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Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


bon bon - Feb 25, 2003 11:23:34 pm PST #5600 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

And no, even if I think it's important, I bail if it goes on too long, or comes around too often. Because, really, it stops being worth it, when you tally time and effort and sometimes blood pressure.

I only have so much to give here.

Nuisance value rises while benefit remains the same.

For my part, I hope a standardized process will ameliorate some of the fractiousness that decision-making has resulted in lately. I know it's occasionally made me short-tempered and discourteous. I like the vote to indicate true finality.


Kristen - Feb 25, 2003 11:23:58 pm PST #5601 of 10001

ita is me. Only more dangerous.


Trudy Booth - Feb 25, 2003 11:25:31 pm PST #5602 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Of course there's an implication of "it's broken". The vote is to see if the implication can stand to be made explicit, or not.

Fair enough. I just want to give another side.

I only have so much to give here.

And that is more than fair.


DavidS - Feb 25, 2003 11:36:33 pm PST #5603 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

For my part, I hope a standardized process will ameliorate some of the fractiousness that decision-making has resulted in lately. I know it's occasionally made me short-tempered and discourteous. I like the vote to indicate true finality.

Me too.


DavidS - Feb 25, 2003 11:40:23 pm PST #5604 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

6. David mentions consensus and banning procedures: [link]

My comments are actually at post 1840.


John H - Feb 26, 2003 12:38:02 am PST #5605 of 10001

Popping back in to say that this sentence:

voting starts tonight at midnight board time, and runs through the end of Friday

started out really well. But it ended really badly -- how about

voting starts tonight at midnight board time, and runs through to midnight Friday 28th, board time.

I'm really not kidding about not being able to figure this stuff out without specifics. In fact perhaps it would be better to say

voting starts tonight at midnight board time, and runs through to 11:59 PM Friday 28th, board time.

in order to get rid of any possible confusion about what "midnight" means.

Also to say that we're taking this so seriously that nobody's even fretting about the correct plural of "Quorum"? Not to mention the hours of fun inherent in the word Quorage?


John H - Feb 26, 2003 12:44:24 am PST #5606 of 10001

I have now voted and got a little confused, in fact just didn't see the "your vote has been counted" thing the first couple of times I looked at the page. I'm guessing this means there might be multiple votes from confused people.


amych - Feb 26, 2003 12:53:40 am PST #5607 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Hey, folks.

It's absurdly late at night, and I should've been in bed hours ago. But I was out this evening and wasn't around to help with the final push on getting this vote ready, so I wanted to be sure I said this before I faceplant in my keyboard:

Whatever the result of this vote, I want to thank Jon for the form (I just used it, and it was fucking great), Cindy for drafting the ballot, jengod the tallymistress for going where no Florida board of elections dares to tread, Sophia for general organizational godliness, and especially, everyone who's sustained a generally civil, thorough, well-reasoned, and always Buffista-worthy discussion about the deepest level of bureaucratic nitty-gritty. I can't remember another organization I've been in where this kind of stuff hasn't made me roll my eyes and want to throw pointy things at my fellow members.

I have no idea what'll happen when the votes are in. Maybe we'll go back to the way we've always done things; maybe we'll go on to other votes; maybe we'll call a constitutional convention and and then I'll want to throw things. Doesn't matter.

What matters is that right now, I'm happy as hell with this community. A lot of the vague ill-feeling I had before the WX break has dissipated. Even if it's just one vote, we've done something right.

Thanks, y'all.

(And now I'm going to go to bed before I have to re-read how maudlin I've just been.)


Jim - Feb 26, 2003 3:19:55 am PST #5608 of 10001
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

John H, dude, how's married life?


Jon B. - Feb 26, 2003 4:28:53 am PST #5609 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

in order to get rid of any possible confusion about what "midnight" means.

John H - Did you look at the final proposal as written in Press?

Voting starts Tuesday night (Feb. 25, 2003) at midnight and closes Sunday night (Mar. 2, 2003) at midnight (that's "Board Time", i.e. EST).

...is much more clear, no?