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Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

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Cindy - Feb 25, 2003 2:47:19 pm PST #5431 of 10001
Nobody

Wow. I feel like a doof for not asking before, but does the "week discussion" mean that discussion continues during the voting, or is it that the decision process takes a week (4 talk, 3 vote days)?

I just caught that while I was skimming before I reposted. I thought we thought 4 days discussion and then 3 days of voting. There was talk about closing the discussion during voting, but I don't think there was any clear consensus on it.

We can handle this one of two ways, I think. I can be more specific in the item description, that the discussion would close. Then, if people aren't satisfied and want to hash out a different timetable, or leave the discussion open, they can vote the item down and we can include the timetable questions in the discussion we'll have on the discussion. I'm going to have a stroke if I use that word again.

The second way is to add another item, which will be similar in text to item 4. Item four will still be changed to specify that the discussion will stop during voting, and item 5 would then specify that discussion would remain open during voting. There would have to be a note that says you only vote yes on number 5 if you voted no on number four and vice versa. That's making my head hurt.

Oh wait, a third way is to remove item 4 entirely, and talk about it later.

Opinions?


Cindy - Feb 25, 2003 2:48:23 pm PST #5432 of 10001
Nobody

I vote for leaving item 4 off for the time being.


§ ita § - Feb 25, 2003 2:48:39 pm PST #5433 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I vote for #1 on #4.


Sophia Brooks - Feb 25, 2003 2:48:48 pm PST #5434 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I thought so too. And for that reason, I think posting of the motion/ballot needs to happen at the last possible moment.

Perhaps an APB now saying more like "The discussion is going on; come read it while you can, and look for the final motion just before midnight in Press."?

I'm sorry, I just have to repeat this becuase I feel really strongly about it. If Cindy isn't around to post at 11:59, I can volunteer to.


Lyra Jane - Feb 25, 2003 2:49:34 pm PST #5435 of 10001
Up with the sun

Perhaps an APB now saying more like "The discussion is going on; come read it while you can, and look for the final motion just before midnight in Press."?

Agreed.

Cindy, I think the best thing to do with #4 at this point would be to add a note that we will vote later on whether discussions end on day 4 or continue during the votes.


meara - Feb 25, 2003 2:50:12 pm PST #5436 of 10001

Wow, I'm....overwhelmed by all the discussion and procedures. Not necessarily in a bad way, but...wow.

So, no voting yet? Cause it's not Wednesday yet?


Cindy - Feb 25, 2003 2:50:49 pm PST #5437 of 10001
Nobody

Cindy probably isn't going to be around much after 5, although I was going to make an escape around 6, if we thought we were ready to post it then.

For the record, I don't think we need to stop this discussion this time, and so I don't think that we really need to wait that late to post it, unless we have reason to. Really, if jen gets a ballot at 10pm tonight, is it going to make things corrupt or dirty? No.


Jon B. - Feb 25, 2003 2:51:14 pm PST #5438 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I think the best thing to do with #4 at this point would be to add a note that we will vote later on whether discussions end on day 4 or continue during the votes.

I'm with LJ.

So, no voting yet? Cause it's not Wednesday yet?
Correct meara.


Cindy - Feb 25, 2003 2:52:19 pm PST #5439 of 10001
Nobody

ita - although your feeling is to go with option one, how would you feel if we left it off until we could develop the *gag* discussion discussion some more?


Cindy - Feb 25, 2003 2:55:28 pm PST #5440 of 10001
Nobody

Anyone? Bueller?