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Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


billytea - Feb 24, 2003 3:34:56 pm PST #5281 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

What seems a useful time? And it should start counting from the moment it's suggested.

If we're talking just getting four seconders, I'd go with 24 hours. One business day if there are a lot of people who are absent on weekends, though again - for just collecting seconders - I don't think it's such a problem.


Typo Boy - Feb 24, 2003 3:37:05 pm PST #5282 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

In terms of holidays - any holiday for which the national government of a nation with five or more Buffistas currently resident should count. True? Or not?


§ ita § - Feb 24, 2003 3:38:13 pm PST #5283 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

any holiday for which the national government of a nation with five or more Buffistas currently resident should count. True? Or not?

US, UK, Australia, Canada, Israel, Spain, Malta, Ireland just for starters. Any volunteers to track them?

edit: whoops. FIVE. I can read. But I don't think it's fair or practical to disenfranchise the Nillys and PaulJs in such a particular way. No, I have nothing constructive to add.


billytea - Feb 24, 2003 3:38:54 pm PST #5284 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

In terms of holidays - any holiday for which the national government of a nation with five or more Buffistas currently resident should count. True? Or not?

Seems reasonable to me. At the moment that'd be the US, Canada, the UK and Australia, right?


billytea - Feb 24, 2003 3:39:29 pm PST #5285 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

US, UK, Australia, Canada, Israel, Spain, Malta, Ireland just for starters. Any volunteers to track them?

But the last four don't have five or more Buffistas.


§ ita § - Feb 24, 2003 3:40:42 pm PST #5286 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But the last four don't have five or more Buffistas.

See edit above. But honestly, if we're counting Buffistas, there are about 400 that we don't know where they live.


Sophia Brooks - Feb 24, 2003 3:42:40 pm PST #5287 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I STILL don't get the quorum/majority thing.

This is my question:

Is point 2 Quorum addressing the minuimun number of interested parties in BUREACRACY needed to generate a vote, or is it the once we're in the thread, a certain number of people need to participate.

if it is the 2nd, I think we need to add a point for the first.

Also, some people objected to the creation of another thread at all, thinking that we should do this here. Should we address that?


Cindy - Feb 24, 2003 3:43:55 pm PST #5288 of 10001
Nobody

Can we wait and see on the seconders discussion and just let the ballot get decided on for now, and then talk about that sort of thing once we have a voting method, or am I just cranky and does it really belong on the voting proposal? And is that sentence as poorly constructed as I think it is?

"Discussion and/or voting could be extended in the event of major holidays."

I think we should say this and BE SPECIFIC about holidays. Because I don't want to hear someone saying they celebrate National Pickle Week and need votes extended for that but I also want to make sure that Am Chau's and FayJay's Bank Holiday Mondays, The Nova Scotians' Canada Day and Angus and Plasmo's etc.'s whatever day (Convict Appreciation Day?) and Nilly's rather more strict holidays don't get passed over as UnAmerrurican.

Can we also hold this thought until we have a voting method in place? I think it's a good idea, but I think we need the method first, so that people can then discuss what holidays will be problematic for them. That sort of issue might even be able to be handled by consensus. I mean, if Nilly comes on and says an issue we're discussing will fall on days she has to be dark for religious reasons, I can't see any of us telling her "tough shit". I'm not saying it's not a worthy item. But we're getting bogged down in administrivia trivia.

ita I don't think I can be tally girl for this one. I will gladly volunteer to tally future votes, though.

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NOTE TO ALL: I have emended the intial motion to remove Item 5, as I agree it is not necessary and dammit, it's my ocean's motion.


PaulJ - Feb 24, 2003 3:44:21 pm PST #5289 of 10001

Speaking up just to say: don't mind me. I'm so net-addicted that it probably won't make much difference whether it's a holiday or not. I'll probably be able to get my ass in front of a computer and vote for whatever issue it is.


Typo Boy - Feb 24, 2003 3:44:34 pm PST #5290 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

OK - then as you say US, Austrialia, Canada, Great Britian/UK, Israel, Chile and Spain. Or - simpler - by default stuff is discussed for a week. But if it is a national holiday with national government close somewhere there are buffistas, we extend the discussion for it. If no one noticies the hol, then discussion is not extended.