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Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


Wolfram - Feb 24, 2003 1:55:43 pm PST #5231 of 10001
Visilurking

What if there's more than one issue on the table. I.e. voting on a Connor is HOTT thread and voting on a Gunn is HOTT thread, and then somebody mentions that Allyson's asspicking thread is still undecided. Are we limiting discussion and voting to one issue a week/52 issues a year?


Katie M - Feb 24, 2003 1:56:11 pm PST #5232 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

What if only one person cares?

Well, if the other 799 people on the board don't care enough about the proposal to vote "no" then the one person should get what they want.


Lyra Jane - Feb 24, 2003 1:56:48 pm PST #5233 of 10001
Up with the sun

Is there any broad agreement about putting a time limit on this discussion so we can say, "That's enough let's vote"? Three more days of this talk? End of the week? Next Monday? Sooner?

I think we need to do two things to answer this. The first is defining exactly what we seem to be building towards, and putting it into a yes/no form. The second is deciding whether the time at WX counts or not. If it does, Wednesday makes four days, since the proposals on this stuff gelled late Sat. or early Sun.; if not, Thursday does.


brenda m - Feb 24, 2003 1:57:00 pm PST #5234 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I don't see a problem with starting up a new discussion, if warranted, immediately after the (4 days?) elapse on a current discussion.


Sophia Brooks - Feb 24, 2003 1:58:00 pm PST #5235 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Well, if the other 799 people on the board don't care enough about the proposal to vote "no" then the one person should get what they want.

Well, yes. BUT, won't that lead to discssion and voting threads for everything someone brings up in bureacracy?


billytea - Feb 24, 2003 1:59:51 pm PST #5236 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

P.S. Australians have to vote?!

In Federal and State elections, yes. There are exemptions for religious reasons, for instance, and it's not compulsory for people resident outside the country at the time. If you don't vote without cause then you pay a fine (about $50, last I checked, but that was a while ago).

Of course, if you really don't like any of the candidates, you can turn up and enter an invalid ballot (my favourite was a guy who drew a big Anarchy symbol on his paper).


Sophia Brooks - Feb 24, 2003 2:02:49 pm PST #5237 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Also, I can volunteer to tally votes as well, so that we can spread it around.

Also, at the end of this discussion are we going to vote on one long proposal or on each part of it?


Kristen - Feb 24, 2003 2:06:09 pm PST #5238 of 10001

What's the tie-breaker solution?

That's where the Whip comes in. We just pick some people who are on the fence and I beat them into submission.

Democracy is fun!

On a less S&M slant, I think the 4 + 3 is more than adequate. I also think that to start the process, you need more than one person saying they want something. You need at least one person to suggest it and maybe two others going, "Hey, that's a nifty idea." Otherwise, we'll all be stuck in debate hell for the rest of our lives.


brenda m - Feb 24, 2003 2:23:47 pm PST #5239 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Also, I can volunteer to tally votes as well, so that we can spread it around.

I can do this too.


Lyra Jane - Feb 24, 2003 2:43:04 pm PST #5240 of 10001
Up with the sun

Dammit, I had this whole long post listing everything we needed to vote on from this discussion, and the computer ate it.

I think the list was:

    • Opening a debate/Supreme Court thread dedicated to the discussion of one policy issue at a time.
  • Voting via email on all policy/maintenance decisions. (This seems to be pretty much a given, but it is a change, so I left it on the list.)
  • Keeping decisions open for four days of discussion then three days of voting, OR three and three, OR one week for each.
  • Requiring a certain number of posters (2, 3, OR 10) support an idea before officially opening a discussion
  • Requiring a certain number of votes (20 OR 10% of registered users)to make a decision official
  • Requiring 60% of voters agree to make a decision final, OR requiring a simple majority, OR requiring a majority for thread creation but 66% for major policy changes.
  • Closing decisions for six months OR one year once they're made.

What's the most streamlined way to vote on all of this?