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Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

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Lyra Jane - Feb 24, 2003 12:50:38 pm PST #5189 of 10001
Up with the sun

Perhaps at the end of the discussion period, someone (A volunteer? The original proposer?) rewrites the proposal to reflect changes made during the discussion? I agree it would help if people knew EXACTLY what they were voting on.


Kat - Feb 24, 2003 12:53:13 pm PST #5190 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Cindy, if you were in my class today, I'd give you a chocolate for you what you said about consensus. I'd also like to add, consensus has a totally different meaning than what the buffistas have been doing (consensus means general agreement on opinion and what we have been doing is either majority, or loudest person, or person who says what they want the most).

So....

Yes to voting.

Yes to a discussion only thread that closes before voting (and opens only when there is an issue). It much the same way that campaigners can't campaign at a voting poll, some of us (me) might need some distance to make a decision. If the convo continues endlessly it's no good.

1 week discussion then 1 week voting seems like a really long time to me. But it's also a neat way to enclose time. If we did 3 business days + 3 business days, it wouldn't work because whose business days? Mine or Nilly's?

I'm for a list of tabled conversations with a predetermined time limit on the not discussing it anymore. I think that list might be a handy plain HTML document and needn't be a thread.

I can't explain why, but I'm not a fan of simple majority. Think about how often we are closely tied in votes (denzel vs. monkey, anyone?) If the community is that closely split, there won't be a satisfactory outcome for a near majority of people. That said, I haven't any other ideas. The social studies teacher who lives next door to my inner english teacher says, "electoral college!" But my inner social studies teacher has had her ass kicked for that idea by my more logical inner english teacher.

I am utterly against the idea of a having only one post to express my opinions. Whether or not it is intended, it will squash discussion. We do a lot of blah blah blah. No surprise to anyone who spends time here.


Sue - Feb 24, 2003 12:57:55 pm PST #5191 of 10001
hip deep in pie

To this point, I'm only seeing Schmoker and Wolfram's support for an extra condensed discussion thread.

Actually, I suggested a similar type of debate upthread. But not another thread for it.


Anathema - Feb 24, 2003 12:57:59 pm PST #5192 of 10001
Jonathan Will Always Be My Hero

I am utterly against the idea of a having only one post to express my opinions. Whether or not it is intended, it will squash discussion. We do a lot of blah blah blah. No surprise to anyone who spends time here.

Just one more time because I think what I suggested has been twisted to be about suppressing discussion.

I did NOT suggest we only allow people to make one post. I suggested that we discuss things until we are blue in the face here in Bureau, but that we also have a seperate thread where people are only allowed to post their opinion once, unless they then later change their minds.

It seems that few people online at the moment are in favor of that, and that's totally cool. Majority rules. I agree. But I did want to make sure that no one here thinks I am even remotely suggesting that discussion be abridged or restricted.


Laura - Feb 24, 2003 1:01:01 pm PST #5193 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.

but one position at a time would make things clearer.

I reserve the right to change my mind often as I read persuasive posts.


Kat - Feb 24, 2003 1:01:58 pm PST #5194 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Apologies, schmoker, I misunderstood or misread. I am still against it. The thought of having to participate in a discussion and then write a position paper on it for another thread is no more appealling than the idea of quelling discussion at all.


Anathema - Feb 24, 2003 1:03:20 pm PST #5195 of 10001
Jonathan Will Always Be My Hero

It's cool, Kat. That I can understand. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't being turned into a book burner. :)


brenda m - Feb 24, 2003 1:04:40 pm PST #5196 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

It seems that few people online at the moment are in favor of that, and that's totally cool. Majority rules. I agree. But I did want to make sure that no one here thinks I am even remotely suggesting that discussion be abridged or restricted.

No, I get what you're saying now. But I still think it's redundant and likely to become frustrating.


bon bon - Feb 24, 2003 1:06:37 pm PST #5197 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Hopefully, the fact that there's a consequent voting process will mean that there won't be a lot of duplicative posts. There doesn't need to be "wrod"s or "I agree" or needless arguing with one person because we're not looking for consensus; it should really just be about persuasion and amplification.


Kat - Feb 24, 2003 1:10:32 pm PST #5198 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

it should really just be about persuasion and amplification.

If this is the case, then is a full week necessary? Or, put differently, what time limit should there be on discussion?