Safe space also moved the politics out, so YSMV.

honestly baffled Is this the "no war talk, please?" thing?

I don't feel comfortable in there bringing up something that I know some people will disagree with, and I don't feel comfortable disagreeing with something that someone else posted, because it seems like that would be disturbing the "safe" conflict-free atmosphere.

Or it could help clarify a matter that someone else can't articulate.

That was me being cranky and wondering if I'd wandered into natter by mistake.

I mean, it was largely a me thing. Bitches is bigger and less intimate, and my illness is making me pouty.

sneaks Plei a nattery hug

I don't feel comfortable in there bringing up something that I know some people will disagree with, and I don't feel comfortable disagreeing with something that someone else posted, because it seems like that would be disturbing the "safe" conflict-free atmosphere.

Wow. I'm really unhappy with the idea that you've been made to feel like you have to shut up about something because it's not a popular opinion. When we're having a conversation (my feeling on the subject is), every Bitch's opinion ought to have equal airing space. I never knew you felt we weren't encouraging free discussion, and my hope is that you're able to feel free to speak in the future.

Bitches is bigger and less intimate,

Um, *do* you mean Natter?

Or it could help clarify a matter that someone else can't articulate.

I guess it's that I've seen things like "guys, can you please not fight here?" or things like that (not just in Bitches, but also in Natter) at times when I thought the discussion was just starting to get interesting, so I've pretty much decided that my line between discussion and argument is much higher than others', and I don't want to be the person being told to stop fighting. Which I'm aware is my issue.

Um, *do* you mean Natter?

Nope. I meant Bitches. It's larger, faster (normally more posts there than Natter when I've been gone for a while), and less cozy than it used to be.

Change happens.

We're gonna need a natter nine. I think the only suggestion so far has been the Beatles one; am I correct? I'd hate us to be the renamer what renames at midnight, but...

When we're having a conversation (my feeling on the subject is), every Bitch's opinion ought to have equal airing space.

Yes, but what if your real opinion is (mine isn't) that depression is something caused by a person's lack of motivation and you feel that if those of us bitches who are depressed just got off our butts and did something, we would get better. And you reeeaaaly want to hel us. All of the sudden Bitches wouldn't be safe for a whole bunch of people if you expressed your opinion enough.

I like the Beatles one, and I haven't seen anyone saying they didn't like it. I'd say we go for it, unless someone comes up with a convincing arguement for why we shouldn't.