We can't be all things to all people. We can't afford to, we don't have the infrastructure to, and I don't think we have the...detachment to.

I agree with this completely.

Er Kristen - for the record I think you are pretty much considered a core Buffista. By just about everyone. Except you, apparently.

And on the thread proliferation issue - I am undecided. Which is for me pretty fucking unbelievable. One thing I usually am not prone to is neutrality. A glimmer of an approach echos; but I don't know if it would work:

"One thread dies; a new one is chosen. "

General societal threads might not work here, but if it can be linked to Buffy/ME or a deep interest (like Farscape or any other deeply beloved show) I think a thread would work.

Absolutely. I'm not advocating that we should be a general board, but once we start discussions about a movie thread or a general TV thread, we are talking about things not linked to Buffy/ME or deep interest to a beloved show.

So I guess this the crux of my no spread stance. We don't have the infrastructure, the detachment or whatall to really be a general interest board. Therefore, each time a new generalish thread is proposed, it does feel like we are again saying, "But I want to be a general board." In which case, we need to really think about what that all entails, etc.

OK - the joke I made above that was a real idea pushing it's way up from my subconcious. I don't think we will never ever have a new thread again. But we do need a limit. So here is a proposal - one that will require refinement, but I think can work.

1) Set a limit on the number of threads. Not just bandwidth (though it can't go above bandwidth obviously). But there are other limitations. For example 100 threads with 2 posts a day would not eat up much bandwidth. But would still be absurd. So the number of posts should be set by the old hands - ita, Allyson, Kiba - anyone who has been involved with this type of message board for a long time. (And if the number is lower than we have now - not out of the question.)

2) Set a general procedure for starting new threads. Here I have no idea - you folks decide.

3) But whatever the procedure is, this gets added to the procedure once the limit is reached. Anytime a new thread is to be added after the thread limit is reached, it must be decided what old thread is to die to make room. If nothing dies, nothing is added.

Really we can't indefinitely continue to add new threads without such a procedure.

Am I on crack?

I'd say that we need to look at how threads got started in the first place. I think that Smallville was people deciding, "we need somewhere to discuss this so we won't clog up Natter." Bitchy Fic was from when people were complaining about fic taking over SB. Fanfiction was, I think, people deciding, "We need somewhere to discuss this, and we don't have one."

Pretty much, I'm seeing two different impulses here. Some are "we want a place to discuss this." Others are "we don't want that stuff being discussed here; make somewhere else to discuss it." I'd think that, for there to be a decision on a new thread, there ought to be at least some of both going on. (OK, I just tried three times to explain why a little bit, but I couldn't get it right, so I'll just put this out there and maybe try to explain my thoughts on it a little later. I just can't get it phrased right now.)

Acknowledging that Natter (and Bitches, granted) throws off the average, how many posts/thread are we at currently?

Anytime a new thread is to be added after the thread limit is reached, it must be decided what old thread is to die to make room. If nothing dies, nothing is added.

That's sort of the way TT handled it. Every so often they would close the slow movers. OTOH, they were running about a hundred threads per forum, so the top 80 or so got to stay. I'm not worried about new threads taking up bandwidth, because if someone starts posting in a new thread, it means they'll probably be posting less in another thread. I think the only real bandwidth worries come from the total number of users who are actually posting, regardless of how many threads they're posting in.

if someone starts posting in a new thread, it means they'll probably be posting less in another thread.

But is this true? Because it doesn't seem like there has been less posting in Natter since the birth of the TTT thread or the music thread.

I totally understand what you mean, Hil. It should be a balance between those who want the new thread as a new place for them and those who want the discussion to just shut the hell up and move on. But in a nice way.

My sense is PMM, who initially asked for the Alias thread, isn't an Alias watcher. Is that true, Plei?

Except more threads attract more users. An Alias thread may attract an alias fan who is not a fan of any other show we discuss.

And there is a problem completely seperate from bandwidth. 80 threads are too many. I know that intuitively. How many few than this is too much - that I don't know. Which is where the old hands come in. People who have run fan boards or moderated fan boards or just hung out a long on fan boards. We do need a procedure for new threads. But we also need to set a maximum number of threads. Unless, we don't for some reason I'm not getting.

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