My heart is still with "Give me something to sing about" for the thread title.

Ok, bearing in mind this discussion's winding down, I've trimmed this post a bit. Bottom line is, well, on the bottom line: do we have a possible consensus?

I don't think that handholding people through normal social interaction should be a requirement to any process.

Agreed. I don't think I'm proposing hand-holding in any way. They're still responsible for their actions, no one's going to make their defence for them, if they don't want to speak up during the process that's their look-out. (And, I think Cindy's suggestion that an official warning should flag Bureaucracy as the thread to watch on such matters is a good one; this would leave the onus firmly on the poster to watch the thread, but not leave anyone disadvantaged through ignorance.)

Nor do I think that this equates to any change in our policy. All that's involved is adding a bit of relevant info at the end of the already mandated warning. At issue is IMO whether we're to be seen as having an open and transparent procedure, or if it penalises newbies who don't yet know the layout of the Phoenix board.

But I think Cindy's suggestion adequately addresses that, a few other people have said they're comfortable with it and I don't know if anyone's yet objected to it; so, does anyone have an objection to official warnings mentioning the Bureaucracy thread? Do we have a consensus?

(Oh; and "Give me something to sing about" looks like a good thread title to me. I'll vote for it.)

I think "give me something to sing about" is the point where Buffy is saying she doesn't care about music, so it's kind of antithetical? Is that what I mean? "Don't give me songs, give me something to sing about". So I like the other one better.

I liked Cindy's wording, in particular, because it didn't say "Come here and argue the point," but did point the way to where such discussion could be going on. I'd be fine with adding that to the message sent, but I don't think any other changes should be made at this stage.

I've already added a mention of the Bureaucracy thread (using Allyson's suggested wording) to the non-filky etiquette page.

Musical Buffistas 1: "And the music (and who can blame it) swells..."

I'd just drop the first And... so it reads

"The music (and who can blame it) swells..."

ETA: I'm liking the idea of a music thread. Last summer, when I was lurking at WX, the literary thread got me through a book shortage. I went through the posts and found several new books to read, though the only one that comes to mind is Deerskin.

A belated thanks to all for my summer reading last year!

Can I suggest that we change the title slightly to Buffista Music 1? Just so people don't mistake it for a thread about the Musical.

From the script...

They are moving closer as they sing, interrupting whatever thoughts they were going to finish with a sudden, passionate, kiss. The music (and who can blame it) swells, and we hear a final:

OK, I feel better! Thanks for all the kind words.

Some things just get under your skin. I mean, my own brother votes Republican. My baby brother! So not an evil person! And--hang onto your Region 3 DVDs--Republicans may lurk HERE AMONG US!!

Not me, but some! You never know! I understand in some parts of the country they're THE MAJORITY! And that's what bugged me about some of the statements over there. Hope y'all understand.

I still can't Natter until I get a job, because a) it takes up too much time, and b) my Nattering would mostly be whining about how nobody will call me back since I sent them job applications.

So, Natter away and enjoy. I'll be watching and posting and bitching and celebrating (the latter in the Firefly thread, God willing). Thanks.