once I did accuse someone of being hypocritical (which the person copped to being but said I should have phrased it more politely, i.e., use 100 words instead of ten to say the same thing, something I will never be very good at doing)

Jeez, I know I shouldn't rise to this. If this refers to me, I still see nothing hypocritical in distinguishing between the language and tone of a post which belittled and demeaned a 17 year old actress, describing her body in terms usually reserved for cattle, and anything I have posted here. I have no issues with swearing, and I'd have had no issues with a post saying "Dawn is a hottie". *

Still, as you cannot distinguish between the language and tone of your post and the general level of banter and innuendo here (which does not hinge upon belittling people) then clearly this wasn't the place for you. Good luck in your future endeavours online and elsewhere.

*My gut reaction, I'll grant you, was to think "My God, I must be at fault here." Because I do that. But upon reflection, I don't think I was hypocritical at all. And I don't think anyone else was either - if anyone else had made similar remarks I'd have been equally offended.

I don't usually post here, though I do keep up. Probably because after all this time I still don't consider myself a "real" Buffista, don't know if I ever will. And I feel totally comfortable acknowledging that there are some Buffistae who are more "real" than others, can't define 'em, but know 'em when I see 'em. I really just wanted to apologize because I was one of the people that posted about the whole m situation in Natter. I think I might have even brought it up there. I don't read the FF thread, but knew what was going on from reading here and I just wanted to show some support for how the situation was handled. I totally didn't mean to make anyone uncomfortable or talk behind people's backs. And I do love that this thread exists and that this communtiy cares so much about trying to do the right thing. You guys rock. So hard.

Going back to Music--how much music is discussed in depth in Natter?

Also is there no book talk at all in Natter?

I just want to reiterate, once:

Michael. Dude. However *at all* polite, or clever, or nice you may be now, we don't want to hear it. You were given the chance to come back in two months and try again. You flunked that chance by re-registering under mmmieskie. That violated the terms of yr Buffisthood contract; and it made us not love you. Goodbye.

Also is there no book talk at all in Natter?

It comes up not that often. Which can be surprising. Literary on WX was manageable for me. Literary here is much higher volume.

I used the word "breast". That's for cattle?

Later I mentioned "teats", which was in response to someone jumping down my throat for using the word "breasts".

And what I said was that it made me feel uncombfortable that Dawn was getting me hot and bothered. Not that I wanted to jump her bones and grind her down, but that it was making me feel really old to watch her grow up (and out) so quickly. You misread the post, and I didn't feel the need to take back what I said because someone misread it. I didn't fantasize about her, nor did I post anything vulgar about her. In fact, just the opposite. I said I was uncombfortable about it myself.

But I guess that's the deal. It matters not what I post, but how others react to it. That I can't control someone's reaction is apparently my fault in your mind. But the semantic content of "Dawn's a hottie" is no different than what I said. In fact, "Dawn's a hottie" is even a little more direct than I got, because there's not mention there of being a grown man feeling embarrassed because you feel Dawn is a hottie. You were just looking to jump down my throat, I imagine. Which if, of course, your perogative.

But all the fawning over James at 15? I cannot for the life me understand how that is ok to talk about your hots for him, while mentioning 17 year old Dawn is not ok.

Perhaps because for those females out there that got so mad at me, there's a double standard at work. Ok to talk about young guys, but not OK talk about young women?

Nah, of course you would not cop to that sort of hypocritical content. But I point it out all the same, because that's what it is. You can salivate over him all you want, but don't let the shoe get on the other foot, eh?

Question: What is James at 15? What does it have to do with real people?

Michael, we (the community here & you) have agreed to disagree.

You have been suspended, under any username you try to register.

Please leave. NOW.

I have the same question as ita.

Can I just suggest that you'll never catch up in Natter?

My bad - I didn't mean to imply that introducing new threads would have any impact upon the size of Natter. Just that I might stand a chance of following and participating in a movie-centric conversation in a Movie thread, whereas the chances of me spotting such a convesation in Natter, let alone participating, are tiny. And I'm quite fond of movies, so that would be cool. (About Music I'm stunningly ignorant, and would probably not participate much.)

Maybe we need to change the slug to indicate that isn't for Literature.

Okay, a violent, violent NO from Camp Fay. Literature is books. It's writing. It's not "Literary Fiction", which is a specific genre and a class-issue and all kinds of shit like that. It's books. Literature=books. Not "Posh" books, or "Worthy" books or any of that shit. Books.

Ah. I appear to have another hair trigger. Stepping carefully off the soap box. Nothing to see here. Move along.

Re: ita's point - damn. Okay, I see where she's coming from. I don't want to make anyone's experience of the boards less positive.

Bugger.

Fay is me.

She contains multitudes, then, 'cause she's me, too.

I have no problems skipping and skimming

Me neither. What I do find is that I then miss all the good conversations, so I raise a topic and people say "oh, we talked about that before" and I didn't know. If I knew that talk about a movie was to be found in the movie thread, then I could go there and read all of that, before raising my topic. Which would result in feeling stupid less often. (Well, it might. It might just result in posting in the wrong thread more often, but I can hope.)

I'm having an identity crisis, because now Am Chau is me.

I think there's always going to be movie and music talk in Natter, because people do natter about what's going on in their lives. But at least if we natter-deprived, we few, we band of--oh, sorry. If we have slower-paced dedicated threads, we at least do have access to conversation and opinion and consensus.

Plowing through the Natter thread is something I miss, but I really don't have time for, even skimming, which is very unrewarding. Movies and Music will have some natter, yes, inevitably. But less than full-on Natter.