As Willow goes, so goes my nation.

Oz ,'Selfless'


Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


plasmo - Dec 29, 2002 4:41:12 am PST #1674 of 10001
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Thanks for keeping up with this thread John H and commenting on the same IPs occassionally thing.

But our IP addresses on the web would be the same during work hours because we're behind the same corporate firewall.

Of course Plasmo and I aren't claiming to be nothing to do with another.

Well, no, but consider that a compliment. I claim this all the time about other friends. ;)


Deena - Dec 29, 2002 10:33:10 am PST #1675 of 10001
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

I've been wandering, reading everywhere, before I signed up, but actually did sign up so I could respond to a post. I read the FAQ, and am sorry that I haven't fulfilled the spirit of the boards, though I certainly intended to do so. I want to apologize for having caused offense or even a moment of grief. I just discovered this particular board and realized you were talking about me and the Mieskie/idiot thing after skimming a few posts. I had been suffering some insomnia lately and read a huuuge number of posts (intending to read them all but couldn't make it through), but couldn't remember enough of most of them to comment on when I signed up - I was so excited about finding this board that I wanted to post to everything - blame it, please, on my unfortunate tendency to enthusiasm when I find something intelligent online. I hadn't read anything else by Mieskie until I read the idiots thing, and, being very new here, said things I shouldn't - namely, that I thought he was misunderstood. I didn't take him as being deliberately offensive, and that could be because I hadn't read anything else of his or because I was very tired when I read the posts - or, who knows, because I tend to try to think the best of everyone. I think I responded to his posts in particular because the discussion went on so long that it caught my attention. I did notice that no one else was posting when we got into the rather long OT stuff, and thought "uh oh" and, because I had work to do, left when he did. I had intended to leave sooner, but didn't want to be rude if he was still responding to something I said. I did read other posts the rest of the day, but didn't post much because I'd realized, once again, my fingers (mouth) got away from me. If it will make this community more comfortable, I will immediately pack my tent and go away. I'm extremely embarrassed at the moment, and, if I didn't think you all deserve a heartfelt apology, would have simply gone away with no explanation. I would delete my posts, but then that would leave that glaring "post deleted by" thing in there. If you can delete them without leaving that, I'd be quite happy to have that done. If you want me to delete them, please let me know. My e-mail address in my profile is real if you would prefer to respond to me by e-mail.


Theodosia - Dec 29, 2002 10:36:02 am PST #1676 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Deena, I hope you don't go away!


Nilly - Dec 29, 2002 10:38:35 am PST #1677 of 10001
Swouncing

Deena, this very considerate post of yours is the best possible proof that you shouldn't go away because of a misunderstanding.


Jesse - Dec 29, 2002 10:41:21 am PST #1678 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I'd say you've fulfilled the spirit of the boards pretty darn well, Deena, so please don't go!

You'll note that we've been a little paranoid since the whole JOSS POSTS thing, and then have these discussions in public, where the people we may be talking about can read them, which is a little weird I know, but anyway.


DXMachina - Dec 29, 2002 10:41:34 am PST #1679 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Deena, please stay. You walked into a weird situation without realizing it. Not your fault. Mieskie was actually being tolerable while you were talking to him, and that's a good thing. Unfortunately, anything he does is going to be viewed with suspicion for awhile.


Fay - Dec 29, 2002 11:03:56 am PST #1680 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

If it will make this community more comfortable, I will immediately pack my tent and go away. I'm extremely embarrassed at the moment, and, if I didn't think you all deserve a heartfelt apology, would have simply gone away with no explanation.

Dear heavens, no - from all I rememeber reading you've been the soul of courtesy and I really don't think you have anything to worry about other than us being inhospitable.

I'd second what was said before - speaking personally, I'm feeling acutely conscious of the fact that Joss & co may read the threads here, which is why I've had a bit of a hair trigger about some of the stuff on Firefly thread, but there's a lot of YMMV, and I think any humour/personality clashes there are largely my problem which is why I've shut the hell up.

Yes, we try to reign in the natter, but totally don't beat yourself up about it because we all do go off at tangents and get nattery in non-nattery threads. And then someone comes along and says 'Oi, enough with the natter!' and we go 'Oops', and move that conversation over to Natter, or else get back on topic, or whatever.

Seriously, love, you mustn't run away - I mean, I get that you may be feeling upset and like you've done the foot-in-mouth-thing, 'cause I felt like that the other night myself. But please stay. You're very welcome here, and I swear we aren't the unwelcoming baggages you may be thinking right now. Just a little hyper-sensitive because of the publicity we've been getting lately.

I didn't take him as being deliberately offensive, and that could be because I hadn't read anything else of his or because I was very tired when I read the posts - or, who knows, because I tend to try to think the best of everyone.

Props to you. (I don't know that I think he's being deliberately offensive either, fwiw. I have found him offensive, but that's not the same thing & I'm still prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.)


Rebecca Lizard - Dec 29, 2002 11:44:12 am PST #1681 of 10001
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

Yes, Deena, please don't leave.


Dana - Dec 29, 2002 11:59:52 am PST #1682 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

What Nilly said. Being concerned about the community and its members is the surest proof that you belong here.


Deena - Dec 29, 2002 12:08:45 pm PST #1683 of 10001
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

You know, when I worked on a forum for AOL (please don't throw bottles or gloves at me for that) there was a woman there who made a second name after having made friends of other people through the first. Then, with the second name, she went all over the boards and chatrooms talking about her first name as if it were another person. According to the second persona, the first persona needed an eye-transplant, had many children, was a single mother, had some dread disease, died on the operating table, etc. etc. I believe she got people to send her money, but, whether money or not, she got a lot of sympathy from crying about her poor dear friend who died and whose children she now had in custody. She carried it on for a couple of months, at least. After her deception was uncovered, because she was a one-eyed single mother with a disease (though I don't know how anyone could believe anything after that) many people forgave her for it.

I only tell you all that to let you know that I'm going to explain a little, but only for explanation purposes and not to garner sympathy. I'm not a one-eyed, diseased single mother! I'm actually very blessed and happy and happily married to a wonderful man who thinks I'm charming (I haven't figured that out yet) - and, okay, am a parent to a 17-year-old-rock-musician who believes he knows all there is to know, a 15-month-old-demon spawn who is "charmingly" determined to have her own way in everything, I'm 8 months and counting pregnant with the third child, have a bad back and spend far too much time on the computer or the couch because of it, I'm 39 years old (g-d, I'm old for all this), telecommute part-time so I have little adult interaction, and tend to naive enthusiasms and a delight in escapism. If I didn't want to read bad things about me, I shouldn't have been listening at the door.

Seriously, I don't feel that anyone was mean or unwelcoming. Everyone here has been very kind. Thank you again DX for letting me know I screwed up with the white fonting and giving me the opportunity to fix it. I will always fix my screw ups as soon as possible if at all possible.

I won't go away, though I do hate the taste of foot-in-mouth. Please let me know early if I get too enthusiastic again or make some other mistake and thank you all, again, for being so gracious.