I am not...I am not the damsel in distress. I am not some case. I have to work this. I've lived in a cave for 5 years in a world where they killed my kind like cattle. I am not going to be cut down by some monster flu. I am better than that. What a wonder...how very scared I am.

Fred ,'A Hole in the World'


Buffista Fic: It Could Be Plot Bunnies  

Where the Buffistas let their fanfic creative juices flow. May contain erotica.


erikaj - Nov 01, 2004 3:52:10 pm PST #9738 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Hmm...funky looking ligatures from a hanging? Cause it worked in reverse for D'Angelo Barksdale on "The Wire"...of course part of that is that law enforcement didn't give a crap about D.


Anne W. - Nov 01, 2004 3:54:51 pm PST #9739 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Anne, are you asking about methods, pathology

Um, both, I guess. I need to figure out how the deed is done, and what will make the investigators assume murder rather than suicide.

Funky ligatures could work--what makes them funky, though?

Signed,

Hasn't yet seen "The Wire"


erikaj - Nov 01, 2004 4:04:43 pm PST #9740 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Something about the way the noose landed across Barksdale's neck iirc showed that he couldn't possibly have done it himself, and I forget why. Maybe there were bruises on other parts of his body. But DOC didn't care cause he was in on drug charges so even the ME was kind of like "Eh." McNulty, who stirs up the pot by getting up every morning, found the "mistake". You'll either love The Wire or find it deadly slow. There seems to be no middle ground on it.


Betsy HP - Nov 01, 2004 4:53:27 pm PST #9741 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

If you have a suicide and somebody destroys the note before the police see it, that always helps.


Anne W. - Nov 01, 2004 4:56:53 pm PST #9742 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Ooh! That's a great idea, Betsy! In fact, if I play it right, it could just add to the pain, which is of the good in this case.


erikaj - Nov 01, 2004 5:28:48 pm PST #9743 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Pain? Of the good. Can only mean Bayliss!fic. Or you know, Xander Harris.(Which is kind of the same thing, minus about twenty years and one always-open murder case, but I've already talked about that a couple other places.)


Connie Neil - Nov 01, 2004 6:49:55 pm PST #9744 of 10001
brillig

If you're going with hanging, there's also the point that if the drop wasn't far enough to break the neck, then the person got to go out the slow way. So if he's died of strangulation without much sign of a struggle, then odds are he didn't do it by hanging. There would also be different wear signs on the rope if a body's weight dropped to the end of it, as in jumping off a chair, or if the body was hoisted up.

(researched it for another story)


deborah grabien - Nov 01, 2004 7:34:30 pm PST #9745 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Also don't forget the manual preference question; a right-handed person tying a noose only a left-handed person could tie also works in reverse if the suicide is trying to frame someone for their murder.


victor infante - Nov 01, 2004 7:34:59 pm PST #9746 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Hmmmm. So ... just for argument's sake ... what if there were signs of a struggle? Hmmmm ...


Connie Neil - Nov 01, 2004 8:24:55 pm PST #9747 of 10001
brillig

Ah, then we have to figure out the nature of the struggle. If we posit someone doing the long dance from the main beam in the center of the room, but the potted aspidistra over in the far corner has been knocked over, then our victim was either murdered or is a very bad housekeeper. Or has a cat.

Honestly, any policeman walking into my house would say, "My god, World War III happened in here!" Especially when he saw all the swords.