I ended up seeing that whole concept as the sort of moral underpinning to the issue.

It really is. OK--Buffy's conversation with Holden was different, but that was on the show, and well, her name's in the title.

For the others, the FE and its minions would be mostly interested in "recruiting" allies, or demoralizing enemies. So Giles or Xander, for instance, might go in a completely different direction than, say, (and soemone can have this if they want) Rack and Amy.

Amy's mother -- does she count as dead?

OK--Buffy's conversation with Holden was different, but that was on the show, and well, her name's in the title.

Actually, thinking about that? Not sure it really was all that different. Because in the end, wasn't Holden's whole thing's big acocmplishment to cast doubt in Buffy's mind about whose side Spike would fight on?

Well, if she wasn't dead prior Sunnydale being destroyed - - she certainly is now. (Amy's mother that is.)

sumi, that's what I was thinking. And that would make one truly terrifying little fic: Amy's mom, stuck in her trophy, seething with rage and malevolence, watching the town disappear around her....

Amy's mom, stuck in her trophy, seething with rage and malevolence, watching the town disappear around her....

It's a fantastic thought -- but wasn't the cheerleading trophy in the SHS trophy case? I'd think she would've been blown up with the first HS.

amych, for some reason, my brain is remembering seeing it since the Sunnydale High rebuild.

Huh. I didn't catch that -- but if so, cool.

I think it was seen in Doomed -- or perhaps referred to in the shooting script.

There's an episode where someone is walking through the ruins of Sunnydale High and there's a shot of the cheerleader trophy. Or maybe it's in a script. But I'm pretty sure there was some indication either on screen or in a script that Amy's mom survived the destruction of Sunnydale high.