Spike? It's you. It's really you! My therapist thought I was holding on to false hope, but…I knew you'd come back. You're like…you're like Gandalf the White, resurrected from the pit of the Balrog, more beautiful than ever. Oh…he's alive Frodo. He's alive.

Andrew ,'Damage'


Buffista Fic: It Could Be Plot Bunnies  

Where the Buffistas let their fanfic creative juices flow. May contain erotica.


Fay - Mar 16, 2003 8:04:52 am PST #2515 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

Oh, Plei. Oh, my boys. Damn.

And Connie, I wanted to ask you if you had posted your Aragorn-Eowyn fic to Silverlake, because I noticed that someone posted Grima/Eowyn. I didn't read it. ::shudder::

.....ah. I, on the other hand, will be hastening to Silverlake to read it, if I ever finish my damned essay. 'Cause I really like Grima, and want to write Grima fic at some point (in the AU where I get to do all the writing and reading I want to, rather than writing essays about thermodynamics. Who knew being a primary teacher was so essaylicious?).

Takes all sorts. Um.

(I've also got this Sandman/Buffyverse thing I want to write at some point.... oh, for a time turner.)

apparently "Reflections" has ignited a mini-firestorm on BBF of mostly facetious anti-explicit-slashness. The story's being held up as just the thing for the sophisticated palate that doesn't need explicit boinkage, I believe is how they put it.

You know that AJ Hall has been considering chucking in the fanfic thing altogether because of the way that some reviewers/commentators have held Lust over Pendle up in a similar way? Saying that it isn't really slash? Man, I'm so tempted to start writing essays about slash again, for all that it's a far from new topic. You know what I'd like? I'd like to be able to wave a magic wand and banish the terms 'slash', 'het' and 'gen' altogether. I see the usefulness of a very simple rating system akin to that used by films (although no such system is used for published fiction) because so much fanfic is erotic - so yeah, I can see that this is a useful guideline. And a brief outline of salient points is fair enough - a little back-cover blurb, if you will - to be read or ignored at will. But 'slash' as it is presently used in fandom, and 'het', and 'gen' - I'd just like to be rid of them.

I read a lass's blog on this subject recently, and it seems to me that the difference between her take on slash and mine is that she sees slash as inherently violating canon for the sake of violating canon; that she sees heterosexuality as the default setting, and homosexuality as something that can't be there unless it's openly expressed. For my part, most all the gay folks I know have had relationships, or at least drunken fumbles, with people of the opposite sex, and have all passed/continue to pass as straight in some (or most) contexts. What's more I fancy girls more often than boys, but I'm not normally very forthcoming about my sexuality. The UST I feel towards a lass at my workplace, for example, is strictly subtext and will remain so, what with the me-being-in-the-closet and the her-being-regrettably-straight. Doesn't mean I don't fancy her.


Deena - Mar 16, 2003 8:16:38 am PST #2516 of 10001
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

Ple, I like it, except for one thing. I can't imagine a world where Wes looks forward to waking up in the morning.

Beautiful Fay, I always think of you as just like me (because, everyone is, of course. Therefore you must be het with a little added spice of bi when dreaming). I never thought about you being in the closet or how difficult that must be. I find myself wanting to snuggle you and tell you you're very much loved, right now.


Theodosia - Mar 16, 2003 8:17:30 am PST #2517 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

"Is this the part where you give me an inspirational speech, I turn my life around, and you go back home feeling like the better man?" He hates the tone of his voice, the clipped lilt of sarcasm. "Pat yourself on the back and tell everyone you've performed your good deed for the week? Don't you dare presume to tell me how I should feel, Gunn. Lilah's dead, and I might as well be the one who killed her."

Oh, I like this a lot, and all the rest of it too.


P.M. Marc - Mar 16, 2003 8:21:40 am PST #2518 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I read a lass's blog on this subject recently, and it seems to me that the difference between her take on slash and mine is that she sees slash as inherently violating canon for the sake of violating canon; that she sees heterosexuality as the default setting, and homosexuality as something that can't be there unless it's openly expressed.

That's pants.

Feh.

Ple, I like it, except for one thing. I can't imagine a world where Wes looks forward to waking up in the morning.

t schmoop alert The only one where I can is one where Gunn accepts him for whatever he is. (kicks things shyly and gently like a grade schooler kicking a clump of dirt) It's this old OTP thing, you see.(shakes tiny fist in air) THEIRLUVWAZSOTRU!!!


P.M. Marc - Mar 16, 2003 8:23:12 am PST #2519 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Ooo! Thanks, Mlle. Theodosia.

(woke up at 7 again. hate this. not making of the sense.)


Deena - Mar 16, 2003 8:23:49 am PST #2520 of 10001
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

You're so cute! I'm giggling.

(pssst! I have two of Deb's books!)


Anne W. - Mar 16, 2003 8:26:38 am PST #2521 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I read a lass's blog on this subject recently, and it seems to me that the difference between her take on slash and mine is that she sees slash as inherently violating canon for the sake of violating canon; that she sees heterosexuality as the default setting, and homosexuality as something that can't be there unless it's openly expressed.

Interesting, but I don't really agree with her. Yes, there are PWP slash stories that exist solely for the point of portraying hot sex between two hot characters and violate characterization and canon up the wazoo, but there are others in which the slash portrayed is firmly rooted in canon. In due South, especially in the Ray K episodes, the subtext is barely sub at all. The characters in ME shows all interact with such intensity, that sometimes it's hard not to read things in a sexual way. In the Potterverse, the characters are young and (in the case of Draco, Neville, etc.) blank enough slates that it's possible to add all kinds of backstory and psychology that still works within the parameters of what Rowling has set up.

I'd like to be able to wave a magic wand and banish the terms 'slash', 'het' and 'gen' altogether.

Yup. Personally, I see the biggest divide not between slash and het, but between slash/het and gen. It's really more of a gut feeling than anything that has evidence I can point to, but it may be because so many fic writers and fic communities seem to be 'shipper driven.

I also don't like the idea of categorizing writers by their pairings or by their slashiness. Yrs truly would probably be categorized as a gen writer, but currently I'm working on a plot bunny involving some f/f slash (odd, for a conservative Kinsey 0 sort of girl).

Personally, (even though I get very upset when people don't understand the true, lasting love between Fraser and Ray K.) I think that shippiness is not always a good thing for the fic world. I think it can keep people from looking at the quality of a fic rather than whether or not the right people end up in bed (or on the floor, on a desk, in the back seat of a car, etc.) together. Yes, I like a good schmoopy romance or torrid bit of erotica as much as the next gal, but I'd hate for those things to be the only things I valued about fic.


P.M. Marc - Mar 16, 2003 8:27:38 am PST #2522 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

(pssst! I have two of Deb's books!)

Curse you wee and adorable Deena! I must track them down, so as to add to the Buffista Bookshelf.

Okay. Going to TRY and sleep now.


Deena - Mar 16, 2003 8:27:52 am PST #2523 of 10001
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

Ignorant question of the day: What is gen?


Anne W. - Mar 16, 2003 8:31:04 am PST #2524 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

"Gen" refers either to generic or general, I think. It's how you classify stories that don't have a romantic or sexual relationship between main characters as a main ingredient.

Teppy's story about Faith would be an example of gen.