Stop means no. And no means no. So . . . stop.

Xander ,'Conversations with Dead People'


The Crying of Natter 49  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Kathy A - Jan 07, 2007 6:24:58 am PST #795 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I managed to get up and take a shower already this morning, and am now delaying taking the laundry downstairs. I have to go into work for a few hours today (at least I'll get paid OT for this!), so have to have clean clothes, but just don't wanna do it!


Theodosia - Jan 07, 2007 6:27:29 am PST #796 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

ita -- no, the reset didn't fix it, since now I have an iPod that works, but has no music on it. Which reminds me, I'd better pack up now because I'm going to have to haul iPod, cable, and iBook to the store in my backpack....


bon bon - Jan 07, 2007 6:33:06 am PST #797 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

What did you do to them that prompted amazement?

Not sure what it was but: added cream, cooked over low heat, and probably most importantly, in a new calphalon skillet. I don't think I've done any of those things to my eggs before. They were light and fluffy.

Now, I'm not saying that anyone cares to do it--just that there must be someone outside the company who can. If not investors, then who? Purchasers?

Well, in the Nigerian case, I think the Nigerian government has been involved in trying to solve the flaring problem, while at the same time making it somewhat difficult. I'm not saying that the gas companies in Nigeria have not been pretty callous about the tribes who have to live with 300 foot tall flames-- they probably have. But the recapture of the natural gas is an incredibly profitable exercise that has been repeatedly stymied in Nigeria, and not because the gas companies don't want to do it, but often because of problems with the government. The article implies otherwise-- they could solve it if they wanted to, they just don't. But in one case I'm aware of, bidding was suspended for a year or two simply because of regime change (this particular case is the focus of an international investigation of allegations of corruption, which is where I come in. But the corruption would have been intended to get the natural gas trains built, not keep the flames burning).

Anyway--just because the investors are separate from the grant-endowing people doesn't mean they still can't try to make a better world with their money. There's only so excited I can get about a charity that invests in ruining health and land. Not that they care, but I am also adamantly of the naive belief that charities and grant-givers should care.

Sure, but I think it's more complicated than that, and way more complicated than the article implies. I got the impression from the article that investing in gas companies and pharma companies is ALWAYS WRONG-- even though the only organizations that can recapture natural gas and develop AIDS medicine are those, and both are involved in those two activities. The LAT didn't report on investing in bauxite companies working in Jamaica-- who's to say that they haven't invested there for a reason?


§ ita § - Jan 07, 2007 6:54:34 am PST #798 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think it's more complicated than that, and way more complicated than the article implies

It's probably safe to say it's always more complicated than the article implies (or far simpler) if it's a mainstream paper.

I got the impression from the article that investing in gas companies and pharma companies is ALWAYS WRONG

That I did not. I was instead caught by the idea of them investing in companies that are pretty directly causing problems they're trying to remove the effects of.

Now, it's pretty clear that if Gates simply neglected to invest in them, the gas companies wouldn't change their behaviour either, and the people suffering related maladies would still need the good works of the other side of the organisation.

I just wonder about power, who has it, and if the Gates Foundation can't wield it, where's the hope?

The LAT didn't report on investing in bauxite companies working in Jamaica-- who's to say that they haven't invested there for a reason?

I just brought up bauxite as an example of companies flouting local law, an example with which I'm more familiar. Got diddly to do with Gates, but fits more into the "who can apply pressure, then?" question. As far as I've been told there's no issue with the local government in the same way as the Nigerian gas companies--but I didn't realise that conflict from reading the article.


Jesse - Jan 07, 2007 7:00:30 am PST #799 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I got the impression from the article that investing in gas companies and pharma companies is ALWAYS WRONG-- even though the only organizations that can recapture natural gas and develop AIDS medicine are those, and both are involved in those two activities.

I agree with this, if only because I severely doubt there's a gas or pharma company that doesn't do bad stuff somewhere.


DavidS - Jan 07, 2007 7:50:41 am PST #800 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

News that they didn't serve gin.

What kind of bar doesn't serve gin? A vodka mill? A vodka joint?


§ ita § - Jan 07, 2007 7:52:14 am PST #801 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What kind of bar doesn't serve gin?

I wasn't in a bar. I was in a restaurant. Not that the waitress was making much sense--a partial liquor license? Allowed to serve vodka and not gin? No clue. Once we got past the language issues she was a complete doll, so I don't hold her initial misstep against her.


Kat - Jan 07, 2007 8:08:50 am PST #802 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I wonder if it was actual vodka or the kind made out of rice or something similar... with less alcohol content.


-t - Jan 07, 2007 8:22:40 am PST #803 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Kat! I just got caught up enough in Natter 48 to see your announcement - congratulations!


sumi - Jan 07, 2007 8:25:35 am PST #804 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

libkitty -- I know exactly what you mean! I don't want to see that movie with Sean Bean. . . except that Sean Bean looks particularly good in the ads.