I don't give half a hump if you're innocent or not. So where does that put you?

Book ,'Objects In Space'


The Crying of Natter 49  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


DavidS - Jan 24, 2007 12:57:41 pm PST #5611 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Electrical resonance - I'm realizing that while there's plenty of science behind electrical engineering, it's still pretty fucking magical in a way.


DavidS - Jan 24, 2007 12:58:19 pm PST #5612 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Gonzales says the Constitution doesn't guarantee habeas corpus

Well, they already suspended it so that's kind of moot.


Burrell - Jan 24, 2007 1:06:51 pm PST #5613 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

From what I understand, they only suspended habeas corpus for non-citizens who are considered enemy combatants. But still, if the Constitution doesn't, in their reading, guarantee habeas corpus, there's nothing to stop them from drafting a law that suspends it for, say, citizens charged with treason or some such.

But we have a lot of smart lawyers here. Is there solid legal support for the claim that a Constitutional prohibition against suspending or abridging a right is not, in fact, a Constitutional guarantee of such a right?


bon bon - Jan 24, 2007 1:09:14 pm PST #5614 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I think he is trying to suggest that since habeas corpus is not constitutionally mandated, Congress has the power to suspend. But no Supreme Court in the land would ever agree with that reasoning.

ETA: xpost with Burrell.

2d edit to respond to Burrell: off the top of my head I don't know. But I know that when Miranda was passed, Congress passed a little-known statute that overturned it. Even C.J. Rehnquist, who publicly stated that Miranda was not constitutionally mandated, changed his mind when this law came up for review, in Dickerson. The Court does not necessarily willingly allow Congress to limit its power in this way and I cannot imagine they would interpret the Constitution otherwise.


Kathy A - Jan 24, 2007 1:10:11 pm PST #5615 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I think it was the Daily Show that did something about Gonzales's statement, wasn't it with Jason Jones? I'll have to look it up online when I get home.


Kalshane - Jan 24, 2007 1:12:07 pm PST #5616 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Thanks for the insent, Kalshane. Somehow I managed to misplace my phone. At least it wasn't until after I left one message and talked to the other person of the unsettling calls. This one will be a cakewalk in comparison.

You're welcome. Hope it's helpful.


Burrell - Jan 24, 2007 1:18:20 pm PST #5617 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Thanks, bon bon. I just went and reread the Bill of Rights and was surprised that the language actually seems to worded more along the lines of "No person shall be denied..." than "habeas corpus shall only be abridged if...," which sure sounds like a guarantee to me.


Theodosia - Jan 24, 2007 1:24:27 pm PST #5618 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

My favorite Tunguska explanation is that it was a small, icy comet. Where it hit is so remote that it actually was some years before anybody official went out to look, so most of the debris either melted or weathered/was grown over by the time they got there. Except, of course, for the tree trunks knocked over for miles and miles.

There was a whole series of books of Fortean-type reports, such as Strange, Stranger, Strangest and Stranger Than Fiction that would have been around when Kathy and I were kids. I know my Dad had a bunch of them. Didn't warp me hardly at all, except that I always feel skeptical when an august elderly scientist pronounces something "impossible."


Jesse - Jan 24, 2007 1:30:14 pm PST #5619 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

From you I buy it.

Hey!

I think it was the Daily Show that did something about Gonzales's statement, wasn't it with Jason Jones? I'll have to look it up online when I get home.

It was the Daily Show, but I got annoyed before I found it online.


Jesse - Jan 24, 2007 1:32:06 pm PST #5620 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Oh, snap! It was not TDS, it was Colbert. And here it is: [link]

Thanks, Comedy Central video search!