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Liese S. - Dec 02, 2016 3:58:28 pm PST #24947 of 25496
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Yeah I think that's the problem for early adopters, ND. I feel like the standards will even out in a few years as adoption increases, but I agree that there's not one clear winner with all the toys yet.


Laura - Dec 06, 2016 2:05:27 pm PST #24948 of 25496
Our wings are not tired.

Laura's DH here:

OK, I have been researching this for sometime, and as such, I have got more informed (i.e More Confused then Ever).

First, as to the goal/case study. I have a house with Low Voltage 50's Switches, I have to replace them to sell the house. I also need to implement Security and Smoke/CO Detectors, and have a old Honeywell round thermostat (Pre-60's). I decided since it is high end sale, it would be best to add smart. SO I found:

1. Platforms - I want it to work on Apple/Android and Windows. I know that there is Homekit, IRIS, Smart Things and Wink 2 as your main Bridges, and Applications thereto to run these. The control applications to monitor and setup vary greatly in Feature and Function, so I want to discuss each here.

Smoke and CO Alarms - This is a basic feature in a house. It is rarely used, but when needed needs to work well. I believe First Alert and Nest are my best choices. NEST is really cool, and works with Smart Things I believe and WINK 2 hub. I am leaning towards Wink 2 hub or IRIS. IRIS HAS A BIG PRICE ADVANTAGE BECAUSE OF THE LOWES OWNERSHIP. I spoke with someone at Lowes who also uses the IRIS equipment but he prefers his WINK hub and not the IRIS Platform. From my understanding there is a cost monthly to move to IRIS for most features to work, i.e advanced functionality.

Thermostats - I like the Ecobee, but frankly, the new buyer most likely could care less and a Honeywell from Lowes with the IRIS or WINK 2 may be great. What would be the argument for the more expensive ECOBEE. What makes it better. I could not see it, but they do look cool.

Electrical - I reviewed Phillips HUE, really cool stuff. But 49.99 to 60 for a Light bulb, a bit on the pricey side for a sub $10 LED Light Bulb. Really cool, will look in my house, but I think Smart Dimmers from GE or Lutron could fit the bill. GE is lower cost if you go with IRIS, but again is there a cost to run the app.

Camera's and Security - Would love recommendations on this, it looks like again IRIS has a pretty good solution. NEST are really cool, and I am unaware who the leader is. Would love feedback.

Doorbell Camera - Ring is pretty cool add on.

Door and Garage - Shlage has a deadbolt that matches my current Slage Door Setup, and my LIftmaster Door has a WiFI Option. So I am good on these items.

This is tough to figure out, truly in it's infancy, but very affordable options on the market, and some very not so affordable but cool options also.

As to standards, Zigbee and Z Wave and IFTTT are all fine and dandy, but I am looking more at feature function. I believe Zigbee is a good standard, however, IRIS for example does not work with all Zigbee devices, and Wink2 same, so I guess this is cost of early adoption.


sj - Dec 06, 2016 2:07:50 pm PST #24949 of 25496
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Hi, Laura's DH! Yup, that is all I have to add to this conversation, but I couldn't resist.


Laura - Dec 06, 2016 2:10:55 pm PST #24950 of 25496
Our wings are not tired.

SJ - I was a bit wordy, but wanted to get all my thoughts across. Laura is much more to the point then I.


sj - Dec 06, 2016 2:14:54 pm PST #24951 of 25496
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

No, you were fine. I just have no idea about any of it. Just wanted to say, hi! And also you and Laura should come visit.


NoiseDesign - Dec 06, 2016 2:29:41 pm PST #24952 of 25496
Our wings are not tired

I've been installing a Frontpoint alarm system today with a doorbell camera and two exterior cameras. So far so good on the alarm front.


Laura - Dec 06, 2016 3:25:30 pm PST #24953 of 25496
Our wings are not tired.

NoiseDesign - Does Frontpoint have a monthly subscription fee. On the Web Site they had it at 44.99 per month. Is this required.


Gudanov - Dec 06, 2016 6:06:12 pm PST #24954 of 25496
Coding and Sleeping

Yeah. The $10 a month for premium service is probably the number one problem Iris has, but as long as Samsung is content to let SmartThings bleed money there's only so much that can be done. Next year when we add professional monitoring for security/smoke/co2 etc... then the price equation may even out some. There's also a lot of work figuring out how customers use the service (which is a lot of what I do right now) to maybe make adjustments in the future. There are also some changes we could make to lower the stress on cloud servers which would lower the costs. Actually, there is an endless list of improvements we want to make and it's aways a contest to set priorities.


Gudanov - Dec 06, 2016 6:08:38 pm PST #24955 of 25496
Coding and Sleeping

I started working on Iris (v2) about 25 months ago. When I joined we had about four engineers and zero lines of code.


Laura - Dec 06, 2016 6:49:37 pm PST #24956 of 25496
Our wings are not tired.

Gudanov - Iris is a complete package, end to end. Impressive you went from Zero Lines of Code with 4 engineers, but typical. That said, I believe you had more then 4 engineers, when you consider each device manufacture also has there engineers.

I believe you have excellent end solution for consumer. Only issue I see is marriage to big box retailer. I understand you will be most likely opening up devices via Zigbee, however, this is a Pandora's box.

Right now you are like Apple, have control over end to end product. Once you go to third party device support you lose some of that control.

Sounds a lot like Apple vs PC argument, it is because that is what it is. IJS.

Laura's DH