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Gris - Jul 29, 2012 8:49:46 am PDT #20621 of 25501
Hey. New board.

Be that as it may, I think that Lion does some things to be consistent with iOS that DON'T work well in a desktop OS. The autocorrect is an excellent example.

iOS-style autocorrect is amazing (or at least good) for a phone with a software keyboard on which one is very likely to make a specific type of mistake - mostly missed keys. The mistakes made on a full-size computer keyboard are completely different (mostly swapped letters - teh rather than the) and it's much faster and easier to correct by hand in those situations, especially if the autocorrect often gets it wrong. An autocorrect that corrects very sporadically is okay - the Word version is pretty good - but one that tries to autocorrect as often as the iOS one would be a nightmare on a desktop computer.

Apple needs to be careful in remembering that consistency doesn't necessarily mean identical. They didn't make the same mistake MS did of trying to model their mobile OS directly on their desktop OS, for the very good reason that the platforms are different. Greatly modifying their desktop OS to match the mobile OS is just as bad. Sometimes it's harmless - the Launchpad for apps is fine - but sometimes it's harmful, as in this example and several others that ita ! has complained about. (Disappearing scroll bars? As she points out, it's not always obvious that content continues beyond the control without the scroll bar. In mobile space, we accept that loss in exchange for the real estate, but that's not nearly as important on a full-size computer).


§ ita § - Jul 29, 2012 10:33:14 am PDT #20622 of 25501
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm gonna look at Thunderbird (I'm guessing it's pretty much like the PC version, which I have installed, but don't really read email on that computer) and Sparrow too.

And, what you said, Gris. I don't want to run important apps on iOS. It's why I have an Android tablet. But I wouldn't even want to run Android apps on a full form factor machine. They're both for mobile platforms. I'm going to assume that the Mail autocorrect is using a different algorithm from iOS autocorrect, but the very premise of that sort of autocorrect seemed to hinge on fatfingering a virtual keyboard, not a physical one.

Convergence on full size touch screen form factor will be great, but I hope that the OS X Lions and Windows 8 aren't getting there too far ahead of the hardware. The Lion "natural" touchpad metaphor makes more sense to me if my fingers are touching the content, for instance. The way I get it all to work is to imagine I'm manipulating a tablet at that moment. And then go back to mousier places where I'm moving the scroll bar instead of the page when I am using Windows 7.


NoiseDesign - Jul 29, 2012 12:23:49 pm PDT #20623 of 25501
Our wings are not tired

You can turn off the autocorrect feature in the Languages & Text control panel. You can also tell it what language you would like, and there is a setting for British English and US English.


§ ita § - Jul 29, 2012 12:47:07 pm PDT #20624 of 25501
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Mail now has three spell checking options: never, as I type, and when I click Send¹. I've tried all three (and my language is already set to British English--it always is on all my computers, even at work, along with the date formats). But here are my issues with how they're implementing spelling correction now:

  • never: Well, you know--I don't want to send out mistakes. And I will, without any spell checking at all.
  • as I type: Auto-corrects unless I interrupt my typing to tell it not to, assuming I catch it at the time.
  • when I click Send: This is F7 type spell checking, like you might do (or have done) in Word before you deem a document finished. It's better than nothing, except for the part where it also spell checks quoted text, and as you noted--I'm using British English. 2/3 of the people who are sending me email aren't. So there are a lot of false hits, and if I've interspersed quoted text with my own, the chances of cocking it all up are pretty large

I don't get how this is better than what they had before, especially since browsers do the red underline thing, word processors do it...I'd rather have Mail be more like MacBook and PC applications than an iPod application. How is that even a question?

¹: I'm not sure what you're controlling with the "Correct spelling automatically" selection in Languages & Text, but it's not Mail. Mail has its control in its own Preferences.


-t - Jul 29, 2012 1:02:59 pm PDT #20625 of 25501
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

With "Check spelling" set to "As I type" in Mail Prefs, I get the red line and not autocorrect. And I seem to have "Correct spelling automatically" checked in Language & Text. Huh.


§ ita § - Jul 29, 2012 1:18:13 pm PDT #20626 of 25501
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That's 5.3 (1280), -t?

I have a little tag that appears when I'm near to the end of the word (like on my iPod), and if I just keep going with the word that's not in the dictionary, it replaces it with what was in the taggy thingy. It's fucking irritating. I tried to take a screenshot, but losing focus makes the suggestion disappear. Skitch is pretty good for free, but no timed captures.


-t - Jul 29, 2012 1:22:15 pm PDT #20627 of 25501
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

6.0 (1485)

Might need Mountain Lion. I don't remember how the spelling check worked before I upgraded, but I know Mail wanted a software update right after the OS.


NoiseDesign - Jul 29, 2012 1:25:55 pm PDT #20628 of 25501
Our wings are not tired

Interesting, I get the red underline in Mail, but I just checked and my version is 5.2 (1278). The thing is I don't see a current update available for it, and this is on a machine I just purchased about a week ago.


§ ita § - Jul 29, 2012 2:37:02 pm PDT #20629 of 25501
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That's another thing that I'm finding frustrating right now--I don't know what the baseline for anything is. When I google solutions to various new things, pages that say OS X Lion are kind of but not totally what I'm running. This puppy is two weeks out of Shanghai and I've installed every update that the pipe has suggested--why am I in a different Lion place from other people?


Juliebird - Jul 29, 2012 5:03:17 pm PDT #20630 of 25501
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

zamzar no longer does youtube. Is there another site or software that does? Converting online videos to mp3s, that is.