That's insane. That noise you hear is Kirby spinning like a jet turbine in his grave.
Talk about pissing on a character.
Fred: So you don't worry that it's possible for someone to send out a biological or electronic trigger that effectively overrides your own sense of ideals and values and replaces them with an alternative coercive agenda that reduces you to a mindless meat puppet? Shopkeeper: Wow. People used to think that I was paranoid.
'Time Bomb'
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DXMachina - May 25, 2016 5:54:31 pm PDT #4934 of 5059
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
Steph L. - May 25, 2016 6:06:16 pm PDT #4935 of 5059
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe
Talk about pissing on a character.
Seriously. I'm totally boggled that Marvel thought this would be a GOOD idea. "Hey, the movie with this character in the title did really well -- let's make him a FUCKING NAZI!"
Tom Scola - May 25, 2016 6:12:00 pm PDT #4936 of 5059
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500
Yeah, let's take the character created by Jack Kirby and Joe Simon, who, in his first issue was depicted PUNCHING HITLER, a year before the Nazis declared war on us, let's make him a LITERAL NAZI.
Polter-Cow - May 25, 2016 6:26:29 pm PDT #4937 of 5059
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Not to mention that he appears to be terrible at being undercover: the reveal comes after he throws Jack Flag out of a plane because...of reasons? Because he couldn't think of a good cover story for...whatever HYDRA BUSINESS he was actually doing? HOW DID HE MANAGE FOR 75 YEARS AND JUST CAN'T DEAL WITH JACK FLAG IN A PLANE.
Kalshane - May 25, 2016 6:33:04 pm PDT #4938 of 5059
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
Not only is it a terrible betrayal of one of the most-consistently decent human beings in comic books, but the timing feels especially bad as we fathom the possibility of a Trump presidency. A time like this is when we especially need a character like Steve Rogers setting an example for what this country should be.
SailAweigh - May 26, 2016 2:14:52 am PDT #4939 of 5059
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb
Well, if he starts punching Trump, I'm not going to complain.
Kalshane - May 26, 2016 5:11:01 am PDT #4940 of 5059
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
Sadly he's more-likely to high-five Trump with this development.
Connie Neil - May 26, 2016 7:28:42 am PDT #4941 of 5059
brillig
What kind of storyline can they do with Hydra Cap? He fights the Avengers at every turn? Everyone who's ever admired him gets sneered at? Aside from being offensive, it's short-sighted.
Kalshane - May 26, 2016 8:13:46 am PDT #4942 of 5059
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
A friend of mine read the comic in question and said the basic concept boils down to Hydra wasn't always evil and got "corrupted" in WWII. Steve is trying to reform it from within.
Fine. A silly idea but not completely without merit. However, the instant Steve kills a good guy to protect his secret, the whole idea becomes rubbish. As my friend points out, one of Steve Rogers' core concepts is he will always do the right thing even when it's incredibly difficult. And they've thrown that away.
ETA: He also says the writing and art is otherwise very well done, it's just unfortunately shackled to a terrible premise.
Connie Neil - May 26, 2016 8:20:27 am PDT #4943 of 5059
brillig
Yeah, the art is wonderful. But I'm cancelling my hold on it.