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Other Media 2: It's Astounishing!

Discussion of comics, graphic novels, and more. Except for capes. No capes!

Please use spoiler font for new releases until after the weekend following release.


Strega - Jan 02, 2007 5:20:22 am PST #49 of 5055

I quoted that once while moderating the Angel boards.

I make my own fun.


esse - Jan 02, 2007 4:05:46 pm PST #50 of 5055
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

Hm. Now I've finished it, and I was a little shocked at the ending, because it is twenty years later and the events of 9/11 really, *really* change your perspective on that kind of thing. To the point that, in Heroes even, I'm more than a little wary of the "bomb in new york" scenario. It's not that I don't find it believeable... I think it's something of the opposite. The characters in WM seem to be to be fundamentally different from the characters in today's titles. And that was a conscious choice in Moore's universe-- to have the culture lose faith in their heroes, whereas in DC or Marvel you go in reading with the bias that this is somehow culturally sanctioned, or at least accepted on some scale. Of course, they're confronting that on Civil War now, but I still think that the world as Moore made it is different from DC/Marvel in basic, fundamental ways and that changes your perception of the characters/heroes.

I think I'm in the wrong generation to be really moved by it. But I can see how it inspired other things, particularly things I *am* moved by. And I'm better for having read it.


Zenkitty - Jan 02, 2007 4:19:08 pm PST #51 of 5055
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I used to have a t-shirt with the Rorschach inkblot thing on it. I loved Watchmen, but esp. Rorschach.

"He liked pain..." "So Rorschach threw him down an elevator shaft."


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 04, 2007 6:01:42 pm PST #52 of 5055
"You should never say bad things about the dead, only good… Joan Crawford is dead. Good.” —Bette Davis

Ah, read the latest travestyCivil War issue today. Add Namor and the Watcher to the list of characters Millar has butchered, completely not getting their basic personalities and behavior(or not caring, and having them act however the nonsensical plot requires...). .


Betsy HP - Jan 05, 2007 9:36:24 am PST #53 of 5055
If I only had a brain...

OH, my GOD. Check out this post from scans_daily. (Civil War: Frontline spoiler)

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Emo! EEEEMOOOOOOO!


Topic!Cindy - Jan 05, 2007 10:11:23 am PST #54 of 5055
What is even happening?

I saw "Civil War: Frontline" and thought there was some Frontline episode on the War Between the States. I was already waxing rhapsodical about how no where but b.org, would I read 'emo' in reaction to a Civil War news-show episode.

Of course I also thought I was in Minearverse.


Polter-Cow - Jan 05, 2007 10:11:48 am PST #55 of 5055
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

The next new comics sensation, I swear.


Miracleman - Jan 05, 2007 11:23:35 am PST #56 of 5055
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

Re: Watchmen's ending:

I think the problem isn't so much that we're in a post 9/11 environment that makes it unworkable today, but that we're in a post-Cold War environment. The "disaster in NY" could only effect the "unification of the world" when you're dealing with larger political/military entities in opposition. Introducing the "third party" opposition unites the two big boys vs. the new guy.

Now that there's only one superpower, a "third party", whether it's an interdimensional alien invader, or al-Qaeda only provokes the kind of response we see today...everything depends on how the lone superpower reacts to the attack, there's no "predictable dynamic".

If that makes any sense.


DavidS - Jan 05, 2007 11:58:08 am PST #57 of 5055
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

You know MM, I get the feeling that our lone superpower status days are in their twilight. China already owns us at the bank. India's coming on strong. And Russia is murdering people with impunity because they've got so much oil.

In short, if the entire world changed to bio-oil starting tomorrow how much would the political picture change?


Miracleman - Jan 05, 2007 12:13:10 pm PST #58 of 5055
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

Well, you may have a point...actually, I'm starting to develop a theory that the "superpower" political paradigm is over entirely...we need to start thinking in terms of technological/informational/economical influences, rather than the technological/military/brute force economical we were used to.