I caught her on a park bench, making out with a *chaos* demon! Have you ever seen a chaos demon? They're all slime and antlers.

Spike ,'Sleeper'


Other Media 2: It's Astounishing!

Discussion of comics, graphic novels, and more. Except for capes. No capes!

Please use spoiler font for new releases until after the weekend following release.


Polter-Cow - Jun 01, 2012 6:33:37 am PDT #4149 of 5059
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Penis?


§ ita § - Jun 01, 2012 6:48:35 am PDT #4150 of 5059
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

"Privilege". But please don't say that around white people, because it is as offensive as "nigger". Or so I've been told. By someone I kinda figure is white.


Steph L. - Jun 01, 2012 7:52:19 am PDT #4151 of 5059
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Or so I've been told.

"I don't have 24/7 blow jobs in my gold-plated mansion that I bought with my $80 gazillion CEO job, therefore I DO NOT HAVE PRIVILEGE!"

That "argument"? Oh, you defensive white dude. Get over yourself.


Kalshane - Jun 01, 2012 10:40:38 am PDT #4152 of 5059
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Unfortunately some people define privilege as "never had any sort of hardship at all, ever" and love to point out some random time that someone else got a break and they didn't as "proof".

That said, a good argument I've heard against the choice of Alan Scott (though I'm not familiar with the character personally) is he already had a gay son in the original continuity, and there was a very positive portrayal of their family dynamic, which is either going to be eliminated or altered by this change. So there's a sense that no ground is gained by this.


§ ita § - Jun 01, 2012 11:29:07 am PDT #4153 of 5059
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But the son was never going to be in New 52, unless we hung out a long time, or there was a severe case of SORAS, since Alan Scott was being de-aged himself.

So, if he "stays" straight, the universe is down one gay character.

Difference between "gaining no ground" and "making up what's lost", to use a weird metaphor.

A popular objection I'm seeing as "There already are x gay characters. Why do we need more?" and "Who said superheroes were meant to be representative of humans? Who says 1 in 10 is gay?"

But these are clearly people who have no issues with homosexuality--just why does it have to be here, where they might see it by mistake?

(Oh, and "gay people can't have kids, so they can't recreate him as gay", and "All the gay people I know are out, so there are no closeted gays.")

Please, people, read it over before you hit "submit", will you?


Kalshane - Jun 01, 2012 5:10:04 pm PDT #4154 of 5059
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

I think the point is "why de-age him and then make him gay?" Why not keep the already existing positive example and build on it, instead of swapping one for another?

As I said, I thought it was a good point. It was in no way an attempt to defend the rest of the asshats freaking out, screaming "the gay agenda ruining is my comic books, but I'm not homophobic".


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 01, 2012 9:23:36 pm PDT #4155 of 5059
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I will give Robinson credit for deciding to make that change to Alan since Obsidian gets erased by the Now with 75% Less Off-Putting Age and Character Development reboot. But I have a sneaking suspicion that Alan's new domestic partner might want to avoid passing through any refrigerator cars on that upcoming train ride.


§ ita § - Jun 02, 2012 6:02:16 am PDT #4156 of 5059
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think the point is "why de-age him and then make him gay?" Why not keep the already existing positive example and build on it, instead of swapping one for another?

Not one of the people I've seen arguing it have said that de-aging him is a bad idea. Obviously I can't speak for arguments I haven't read. But in the article I read, it was stated that a younger version was axiomatic, and the question was "what do we do from there?" And that's what people were getting mad at, even though the de-aging removed a gay character from the universe, and therefore there's no net creep of homosexuality with this change.


Tom Scola - Jun 02, 2012 7:01:05 am PDT #4157 of 5059
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

YJ: again, not one of the stronger episodes this season, but lots of little things done right: “Does he say that often?” “Too often!”

And The Jade and Roy Show should be its own sitcom.

After watching, I wondered if it was a Peter David episode, and it was.


Tom Scola - Jun 03, 2012 1:43:41 am PDT #4158 of 5059
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

Whoah: All of Elfquest is online.