Gunn: The final score can't be rigged. I don't care how many players you grease, that last shot always comes up a question mark. But here's the thing. You never know when you're taking it. It could be when you're duking it out with the Legion of Doom, or just crossing the street deciding where to have brunch. So you just treat it like it was up to you—the world in balance—'cause you never know when it is.

'Underneath'


Other Media 2: It's Astounishing!

Discussion of comics, graphic novels, and more. Except for capes. No capes!

Please use spoiler font for new releases until after the weekend following release.


victor infante - Nov 13, 2008 5:41:14 pm PST #1963 of 5059
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Am I the only one whose store is arranged by title?


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 13, 2008 5:44:05 pm PST #1964 of 5059
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I approve of the publisher-oriented filing, since it lets me breeze right past DC's inventory without looking at any of them.


Kalshane - Nov 13, 2008 6:20:45 pm PST #1965 of 5059
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Am I the only one whose store is arranged by title?

Nope. My store arranges by title. New releases on one shelf. More recent releases on another shelf. And then older stuff in boxes and bags.

Not sure how the trades are organized. They keep them behind the counter for some reason.


Fay - Nov 13, 2008 10:44:58 pm PST #1966 of 5059
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

I don't understand. It's only publisher-oriented to the publishers. Stores don't shelve books by publisher, or CDs by record company, or DVDs by studio. Because that'd obviously be insane. Why make it as difficult as possible for your potential customer to find a title?

I can see what you mean - but I don't think it's like shelving books by publisher, or CDs by label, because the CDs or books in that scenario are not interlocking cogs in a big, messy machine. They're self contained. But that's not the case with comics. What makes sense to me about shelving comics by Publisher is that this means you're closer to shelving them by 'verse. Because so many of (all?) the DC titles are set in the same shared universe, and have characters and contexts and backstory in common, and ditto Marvel for their shared universe(I can't speak for the other publishers though). And if you're a total newbie, that's actually quite helpful, surely? To know that all the books in this section are liable to relate to one another?

I mean, I'm not denying that it's an imperfect scheme, but I don't think it's crazy.


Jessica - Nov 14, 2008 3:53:10 am PST #1967 of 5059
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

It's helpful only if you're a newbie who's into DC or Marvel superhero comics. If you're a newbie (or infrequent comics reader) looking for something else and don't happen to know the name of the publisher, it's unbelievably confusing.

(And speaking of RASL upthread, I would love to discuss the 3rd issue, but I got 2 pages in and realized I needed to reread the first 2 because I have no idea what's happening. This is why I prefer trades.)


Strega - Nov 14, 2008 7:13:27 am PST #1968 of 5059

Exactly. I don't read superhero books much. And when I do, it's almost always because of the author. Reading NextWave is not going to get me to care about the X-Men, so shelving them near each other doesn't do anything for me.

And it is done that way with other publishers. Casanova and Phonogram aren't part of a shared universe* but they're both Image books, so they'll often be shelved together.

*Although if they were, that would be a particularly awesome universe.


Steph L. - Nov 14, 2008 8:16:37 am PST #1969 of 5059
I look more rad than Lutheranism

If you're a newbie (or infrequent comics reader) looking for something else and don't happen to know the name of the publisher, it's unbelievably confusing.

When Fray got me back into comics, I also started buying Ultimate Spider-Man (my Batman -- and Blue Beetle -- obession started much later). And I couldn't figure out why the comics were separate the way they were (i.e., not alphabetically by title).

But honestly, it didn't take me more than 1 visit to the store to figure out they were separated by publisher. The publisher's logos are pretty prominent on the covers, so even though I often miss the obvious, I twigged to it pretty easily.

I'm not implying that everyone should figure it out that quickly -- obviously, not everyone does -- but I still don't think it's all that weird to separate the books by publisher. Fay's point about the (more-or-less) shared universes is a good one.


Jessica - Nov 14, 2008 8:24:20 am PST #1970 of 5059
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

But honestly, it didn't take me more than 1 visit to the store to figure out they were separated by publisher.

This isn't the confusing part. It's having to remember who the damn publisher is in the first place. (Which isn't ever necessary in any other kind of bookstore.)


P.M. Marc - Nov 14, 2008 8:45:14 am PST #1971 of 5059
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

This isn't the confusing part. It's having to remember who the damn publisher is in the first place. (Which isn't ever necessary in any other kind of bookstore.)

Right, but if you think of Publisher as the comic world version of Genre, which it largely is (and my store separates the titles for kids into their own sub-section), then it makes a lot more sense. I often have a hard time finding things in my regular bookstores when I'm not sure which genre section something's going to be shelved in, and it usually takes me longer to track it down there than it does for me to find where the indie comics are kept, and then find the title.


P.M. Marc - Nov 14, 2008 8:45:20 am PST #1972 of 5059
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear