Mal: Does she understand that? River: She understands. She doesn't comprehend.

'Objects In Space'


Other Media 2: It's Astounishing!

Discussion of comics, graphic novels, and more. Except for capes. No capes!

Please use spoiler font for new releases until after the weekend following release.


Fay - Aug 01, 2008 4:05:20 am PDT #1751 of 5059
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

Oh, crumbs, Pete - they are lush.

tries not to think about 'The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen'...

(PleaseDon'tSuck,PleaseDon'tSuck,PleaseDon'tSuck!)

...meanwhile, I've just read the second graphic novel of Buffy Season 8, and am sort of torn. Overall I'm LOVING the experience of being reunited with these characters, and having my head go boom at clever plot twists (although in this 2nd book less than in the 1st), and all that jazz. But the Faith story arc...ack. It should have been better, I think. It felt like they'd rather casually decided to ignore the character's growth and the changes in her relationship with Buffy, simply because it would be easier to write Faith as the bitter girl with the Buffy issues. And, yes, fine, it IS easier to write her then, but...that's not where she's at at this stage in canon. So a little explanation of why she and Buffy seem to have had a relationship reset would be great.

(Despite the egregious 'I'm straight, look at me, I don't shag girls' line from the comic, I'm tempted to mentally pencil in some kind of unfortunate Faith-makes-a-pass/Faith and Buffy end up shagging incident in there just to explain what the hell has happened between the two of them. But I definitely shouldn't have to do that, damn it. Consistency of characterisation, people!)

But I loved the pairing of Faith and Giles. Loved loved loved. It got a lot of points for that (and, oh sweet Jesus, there should be fic. Lots of fic. Swashbuckling Avengers- style adventures, badass angsty adventures, hell, Harry Potterish shenanigans would work, even. And although it had never crossed my mind to ship the two of them until this point...well, yeah. Okay. I'm there. Although it would need to be well-written, and probably wouldn't involve hugs and puppies. Still - crumbs, they're well-matched. And I so wouldn't put it past Faith to eventually put the moves on him, in a screwed-up territory-marking way. Although I think Giles would repel her advances successfully, unless everything had gone absolutely to hell in a handbasket. And they wouldn't be able to look at one another in the morning. And...er, possibly I shouldn't be putting this much thought into it all.)

That said, though - lord, I wish they hadn't decided to make it all Princess Diaries. Suspension of disbelief is all well and good when you're asking me to accept Giant!Dawn or Flying!Willow or what have you: it's magic, I'm good.

But Faith being able to pass herself off as English, and upper class or upper middle class? For even five minutes, never mind several days? Jesus, are you shitting me? Where is this skill supposed to have come from? She's not Sydney Bristow, for the love of Mike! (Even Henry Higgins spent months working on transforming Eliza Doolittle - and she was pretty damn unconvincing on her first outing.) I love Faith like Winchesters, but this makes my head go boom.

...sorry. I just wish they'd done something to sell this to me, rather than expecting it to be accepted as 'Faith learns an English accent from Giles because we need her to, just accept it, sucker'.

And the Fancy Dress Party...if this was indeed a Fancy Dress Party (a Costume Party) I sort of wish they'd bothered to have people in various fancy dress (ie costumes) rather than all dressed like Cindarella wannabes. Just - gah. It would have been better writing, more visually interesting and easy enough to accomplish - the English girl wasn't badly written when she was talking to Faith, for Christ's sakes, and she came across as a girl of the noughties, so there was no need for the whole Ye Olde Princess schtick, imho. (Actually, I really liked her relationship with Faith. It was rather touching.)

LOVING the cover art. Loving loving loving.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 01, 2008 4:18:54 am PDT #1752 of 5059
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Swashbuckling Avengers- style adventures

Did you have the Avengers-style cover on the issue?

Despite the egregious 'I'm straight, look at me, I don't shag girls' line from the comic, I'm tempted to mentally pencil in some kind of unfortunate Faith-makes-a-pass/Faith and Buffy end up shagging incident in there just to explain what the hell has happened between the two of them.

Bites tongue

But Faith being able to pass herself off as English, and upper class or upper middle class? For even five minutes, never mind several days? Jesus, are you shitting me?

It would have been so much easier to just have Giles cast a spell. Who knows, maybe he did and the training was on what to say, not how to say it. Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking with it.

As for the Faith/Buffy (mmm - Faith/Buffy) regression, I get the feeling Buffy sent Faith off on her own (or, more to the point, away from her), so the resentment was somewhat understandable. And honestly, I think Buffy's attitude towards Faith had further to go towards reapproachment than Faith's towards Buffy, so Buffy jumping to the wrong conclusion wasn't hard to buy either.


Cashmere - Aug 01, 2008 4:46:57 am PDT #1753 of 5059
Now tagless for your comfort.

I had to check out Dave Sim's new comic Glamourpuss. I'm not sure if I'll be amused by his batshit insaneness or dazzled.

Part comics' history lesson, part bizarro rant. Issue #2 has an interesting bit on anti-depressants. I hope Dave is taking his lithium.


Cashmere - Aug 01, 2008 4:49:15 am PDT #1754 of 5059
Now tagless for your comfort.

Since I couldn't find my copy of Watchmen, I ordered a new copy. Due for a re-read.


sumi - Aug 01, 2008 5:25:00 am PDT #1755 of 5059
Art Crawl!!!

If Fay is reading from the collected trade version - won't she get copies of all the covers in the back of the book?


Miracleman - Aug 01, 2008 5:32:38 am PDT #1756 of 5059
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

I need a new Watchmen. Mine fell apart from many re-readings.


smonster - Aug 01, 2008 5:39:31 am PDT #1757 of 5059
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

I have never read Watchmen. I must remedy this.

Related aside - my FLCBS is having a moving sale tomorrow and all trades are discounted... with the explicit exception of Watchmen.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 01, 2008 6:02:49 am PDT #1758 of 5059
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I have never read Watchmen. I must remedy this.

You really must. It's amazingly good. I have a few issues with the ending, that I obviously won't go into at this point w/out spoiler font, but the rest is so good they don't detract from the overall impact.


smonster - Aug 01, 2008 6:16:08 am PDT #1759 of 5059
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Hmmm... all copies at both the uni library and public library are on hold. Time to talk to my local fannish lending library, aka my friend Anny.

I want to read Doom Patrol, too. Really, my comics reading has been exceedingly spotty. I haven't even read all of Sandman. And I've barely touched any DC or Marvel canon, but I'm kind of okay with that.


Steph L. - Aug 01, 2008 8:03:25 am PDT #1760 of 5059
I look more rad than Lutheranism

They just redid those ads for the movies

So, was Sally Jupiter's ad the only one that didn't have "Who Watches the Watchmen?" (or at least part of the phrase) somewhere in the ad? I looked at the large version her ad (and it's utterly fucking amazing, as are the others, in terms of detail), but I didn't see the catchphrase anywhere.

Anyone see it?