Unfortunately, I get them confused with Magneto, so I'm not of much help.
Keep them away from your Titanium Man. That's all I got.
Actually, I was thinking it would be sort of like a pet. You know, we could...we could name her Trixie, or Miss Kitty Fantastico, or something.
Tara ,'Empty Places'
Natter 48 Contiguous States of Denial
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
DavidS - Dec 22, 2006 1:59:22 pm PST #7830 of 10007
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
§ ita § - Dec 22, 2006 2:00:44 pm PST #7831 of 10007
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
The origin of Christmas has nothing to do with Santa.
The meaning of Christmas (sez this purist) has nothing to do with him at all.
I'm reasonably grinchy. I exchange gifts with my immediate family if we're spending the day together (and we strive to, but don't sweat it if we can't), and with a friend or two, depending. There is some special food, and it's a day where not much is to get done.
It's purely cultural for me. And not rigidly observed.
I dig the religious significance of Christmas. I'm just overwhelmed by the Santa and the elves and the snow imagery and the songs that have nothing to do with Jesus. I can sometimes make it as far as a tree, but then I'm done.
Teaching Santa is dumb to me unless you're teaching the evolution from St. Nick, at which point you've touched religion anyway.
Jessica - Dec 22, 2006 2:08:31 pm PST #7832 of 10007
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
No, the origin of Hanukkah is that the Maccabees missed Sukkot because of the war, and so they had it in winter instead. People really liked the idea of *two* weeklong festivals every year, so it stuck.
Narrator - Dec 22, 2006 2:16:32 pm PST #7833 of 10007
The evil is this way?
Teaching Santa is dumb to me unless you're teaching the evolution from St. Nick, at which point you've touched religion anyway.
Now you've done it. You've gone and put "evolution" and "religion" in the same sentence. That's like matter/anti-matter. We're all gonna fall into some black hole and IT WILL ALL BE YOUR FAULT.
Trudy Booth - Dec 22, 2006 2:16:58 pm PST #7834 of 10007
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
No, the origin of Hanukkah is that the Maccabees missed Sukkot because of the war, and so they had it in winter instead. People really liked the idea of *two* weeklong festivals every year, so it stuck.
And they made up the part about keeping a flame burning in the temple and tossed in a miracle for good measure?
§ ita § - Dec 22, 2006 2:19:31 pm PST #7835 of 10007
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
You've gone and put "evolution" and "religion" in the same sentence. That's like matter/anti-matter. We're all gonna fall into some black hole and IT WILL ALL BE YOUR FAULT.
I'M SORRY! It must be the pain or the drugs or something. Please don't explode, world!
Narrator - Dec 22, 2006 2:21:22 pm PST #7836 of 10007
The evil is this way?
Just pray that Santa can keep the oil burning for all 8 days of Kwanza.
Typo Boy - Dec 22, 2006 2:22:28 pm PST #7837 of 10007
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
And they made up the part about keeping a flame burning in the temple and tossed in a miracle for good measure?
Well, apparently there was plenty of oil for a fire, only most of had been desecrated or contaminated or something - was no longer holy. So there was only a day supply of oil that was still sacred and whole bunch of contaminated oil. But somehow that one days worth of holy oil, in the same building as a plentiful supply of not-so-holy oil managed to keep burning for eight days. Obviously a miracle occurred - because no other possible explanation springs to mind.
DavidS - Dec 22, 2006 2:26:55 pm PST #7838 of 10007
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Obviously a miracle occurred - because no other possible explanation springs to mind.
What a lameass miracle. OTOH, it's Nilly's favorite holiday because it's so low stress compared to the high holidays.
Topic!Cindy - Dec 22, 2006 2:32:02 pm PST #7839 of 10007
What is even happening?
Now you've done it. You've gone and put "evolution" and "religion" in the same sentence. That's like matter/anti-matter. We're all gonna fall into some black hole and IT WILL ALL BE YOUR FAULT.
Of course, the Cubbies will win the World Series, on the way, so it will all be worth it.
Hec, Trudy, part of what I think is a bunch of b.s. is that it's too [your adverb of choice] to teach about Christmas in the same manner that paper taught about Hanukkah. They put a summary of the Maccabees story and the Hanukkah prayers on a Hanukkah paper, and did so, without managing to make it look like they were teaching the kids to be Jewish, or worship according to the teachings of Judaism. There's no reason why there can't be a similar paper with a summary of the nativity story and a Christmas carol on a Christmas paper. That's all it would take. The Hanukkah paper was extremely well done.
Also, Hec, I think this is b.s.:
Christmas is kind of divorced from its origins for much of the country. I'm not sure of the numbers, but for a lot of people it's more of a cultural than religious event. It is for me anyway.--particularly when it's coming from someone who has been known to bemoan the number of Christians in the country, around election time.
It's also b.s., because you're taking a result and using it to explain the cause. One of the (many) factors divorcing this particular holiday from its origins in our culture is how it's talked about and taught.