River: You're not right, Early. You're not righteous. You've got issues. Early: No. Oh, yes, I could have that. You might have me figured out, then. Good job. I'm not 100%.

'Objects In Space'


Natter 48 Contiguous States of Denial  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


DavidS - Dec 22, 2006 12:57:50 pm PST #7818 of 10007
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

But... I know if I complain, the school will show no more sense than Sea-Tac did, with those Christmas trees.

It may be unfair, but I expect the presumption is (a) kids already learn about Christmas at their Christian homes and (b) the variant Christmas traditions are an invitation to say, "Nuh, uh! that ain't right."

If you're the dominant cultural mode, then there's probably not going to be as much emphasis on consciousness raising or education.

signed,

Still Waiting For Vaguely Germanic WASPy White American Male Day

Of course, every day is Vaguely Germanic WASPy White American Male Day!


DavidS - Dec 22, 2006 1:04:46 pm PST #7819 of 10007
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Speaking of webcomics (we are now!) I really like Wondermark which I found (and I presume most of you see) in The Onion.

Oooh, an even better Wondermark


Topic!Cindy - Dec 22, 2006 1:07:07 pm PST #7820 of 10007
What is even happening?

But... I know if I complain, the school will show no more sense than Sea-Tac did, with those Christmas trees.

It may be unfair, but I expect the presumption is (a) kids already learn about Christmas at their Christian homes and (b) the variant Christmas traditions are an invitation to say, "Nuh, uh! that ain't right."

It's not even a fair/unfair thing. It's a they're-scared thing. They do cover Christmas in their unit on holidays but it's all Coca Cola looking Santa Clauses, and snowmen.

Do you see what I mean? It's not that they do a special unit on Hanukkah. It's that what they do on Hanukkah marks the origins of that holiday, but what they do on Christmas is totally divorced from its origins.


DavidS - Dec 22, 2006 1:12:17 pm PST #7821 of 10007
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

but what they do on Christmas is totally divorced from its origins.

Too much litigation, too many factions. Besides, Christmas is kind of divorced from its origins for much of the country. I'm not sure of the numbers, but for a lot of people it's more of a cultural than religious event. It is for me anyway.


Connie Neil - Dec 22, 2006 1:14:25 pm PST #7822 of 10007
brillig

In case anyone was waiting for a passport . . .

(KSL News) Government officials say a bag of nearly 700 passport applications, including some from Utah, is missing.

Officials say the bag was reported missing December first, and no one has been able to find it.

State department officials say most of the applications were from California and Texas. However, an unknown number were from Utah.

So far, officials say no incidents of identity theft have been reported


Trudy Booth - Dec 22, 2006 1:18:57 pm PST #7823 of 10007
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

The celebration of Christmas is culturally pretty divorced from its origins. So much of the practice, even by the religious, has nothing to do with the original miracle at all. You'd have to cover Baby Jesus, then the evolution through various cultures and accruing traditions, then the present traditions. Easier to just say "this is what people do on Christmas".

Hanukkah, on the other hand, is almost only its origins -- there is nothing else to teach. It's much more streamlined. Oil, miracle, food fried in oil...

Dreidles I guess are pretty much the only equivalent of santa, the tree, etc. (unless there is some religious dreidle observance I am unaware of)


Topic!Cindy - Dec 22, 2006 1:23:32 pm PST #7824 of 10007
What is even happening?

Eh. I love you both, but you're both so full of shit, your eyes are brown.


Jessica - Dec 22, 2006 1:26:59 pm PST #7825 of 10007
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Teaching the story of the oil is pretty much the same as teaching Santa. IMO. It's the magical kiddie version of the origin story, existing solely because "oh fuck, we missed Sukkot" just doesn't make a very good legend.


DavidS - Dec 22, 2006 1:29:36 pm PST #7826 of 10007
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Eh. I love you both, but you're both so full of shit, your eyes are brown.

I'm not sure which of my assertions is shitty.

This part...

Too much litigation, too many factions.

Was just concurring with your point that they're a'scared.

This point...

Besides, Christmas is kind of divorced from its origins for much of the country. I'm not sure of the numbers, but for a lot of people it's more of a cultural than religious event. It is for me anyway.

Is pretty well qualified as a personal opinion, with many mealy-mouthed qualifiers.


Typo Boy - Dec 22, 2006 1:33:10 pm PST #7827 of 10007
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

One of the energy generating thingies (magnetron?) in my microwave burnt out. The others still work. Can I get away with using it until after the holiday rush? Or is it dangerous; should stop using it now?