Does anybody mind if I pass out?

Willow ,'Beneath You'


Natter 48 Contiguous States of Denial  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Nov 16, 2006 12:23:08 pm PST #746 of 10007
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Clearly, Bush is not going to drift quietly into oblivion. Majikthise and Feministing report that his administration is appointing a certifiable kook to run the federal program that oversees family planning and reproductive health. His qualifications seem to be that he's fanatical about abstinence, to the point of making stuff up.

At the Annual Abstinence Leadership Conference in Kansas, Keroack defended abstinence (in an aptly titled talk, "If I Only Had a Brain") by claiming that sex causes people to go through oxytocin withdrawal which in turn prevents people from bonding in relationships. Seriously.

[Keroack] explained that oxytocin is released during positive social interaction, massage, hugs, "trust" encounters, and sexual intercourse. "It promotes bonding by reducing fear and anxiety in social settings, increasing trust and trustworthiness, reducing stress and pain, and decreasing social aggression," he said.

But apparently if you've had sex with too many people you use up all that oxytocin: "People who have misused their sexual faculty and become bonded to multiple persons will diminish the power of oxytocin to maintain a permanent bond with an individual." Hear that? Too many sexual partners and you'll never love again!

I know that oxytocin is thought to have a strong role in bonding, is triggered for secretion in many situations—sex, labor, lactation, etc.—but these claims that you can have permanent depletion of oxytocin levels by too much sex? Never heard of that. I hit the physiology texts in my office; no support. I tried the online databases, and hoo-boy is there a lot of stuff on oxytocin; but nothing I could find to support those claims. Keroack doesn't seem to have published anything on this subject in the peer-reviewed literature, either—the only source cited for it is something called "A Special Report from the Abstinence Medical Council". Strangely, the only instances Google turns up of this "Abstinence Medical Council" is as the publisher of this report, and as a part of the Abstinence Clearinghouse, run by Leslee Unruh, unqualified hack (and also organizer of creepy "purity balls"). I think I'm right to suspect the source is ginned-up propaganda for a quack organization.

Nice.

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Zenkitty - Nov 16, 2006 12:24:33 pm PST #747 of 10007
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I second the bonobo love.


Gudanov - Nov 16, 2006 12:27:05 pm PST #748 of 10007
Coding and Sleeping

I second the bonobo love.

I'm guessing you're not talking about the GNOME software component architecture.


brenda m - Nov 16, 2006 12:27:40 pm PST #749 of 10007
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Why can't we have a bonobo to run the federal reproductive health programs?


tommyrot - Nov 16, 2006 12:27:50 pm PST #750 of 10007
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I'm guessing you're not talking about the GNOME software component architecture.

Yeah, because that just violates the laws of nature....


Topic!Cindy - Nov 16, 2006 12:28:42 pm PST #751 of 10007
What is even happening?

I know that oxytocin is thought to have a strong role in bonding, is triggered for secretion in many situations—sex, labor, lactation, etc.—but these claims that you can have permanent depletion of oxytocin levels by too much sex?

All right, putting aside for the moment that the term 'purity balls' leaves me less mature than 12, the above is not a restatement of the claim it's purporting to debunk (which could stand some debunking). The claim it's purporting to debunk is, "People who have misused their sexual faculty and become bonded to multiple persons will diminish the power of oxytocin to maintain a permanent bond with an individual."

They're different claims. Still probably freakball, but why bring a whole new freakball into the equation (when we have purity balls t / I < 12 )?


Sheryl - Nov 16, 2006 12:29:19 pm PST #752 of 10007
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

Went to sleep earlier than usual last night and that seems to have driven out the demon headache.

I have to vacuum the house because my parents are staying with us this weekend.(Family Bat Mitzvah, and they're heading to Florida afterwards.)


Kathy A - Nov 16, 2006 12:30:23 pm PST #753 of 10007
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

It's only 4:30, and I feel like this. Can I go to sleep now, please?


tommyrot - Nov 16, 2006 12:31:58 pm PST #754 of 10007
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

All right, putting aside for the moment that the term 'purity balls' leaves me less mature than 12, the above is not a restatement of the claim it's purporting to debunk

You should write PZ. He's a smart guy and would probably admit his mistake.


Jessica - Nov 16, 2006 12:35:41 pm PST #755 of 10007
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

You should write PZ. He's a smart guy and would probably admit his mistake.

True, that. I suspect he was reacting to the "too much sex will leave you unable to LOVE!" part and skimmed over the specifics of the craxxy pseudoscience.