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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


flea - Dec 04, 2006 10:32:53 am PST #4372 of 10007
information libertarian

I was thinking about cultural relativism today on the bus. Here are some things that are rather absurd to me, but are normal to "mainstream america":

Women take an extremely sharp piece of metal and remove any hair that grows under their arms, on their legs, or on their pubes. Men mostly only do this for their faces. Never mind WAXING!

3 people die from E. coli and the entire nation stops eating spinach. How many people die in car accidents daily, but we keep driving?

Breast implants. I mean, really. Bags of salt water under your skin. Also, Botox is a poison, people!

What would you add (or delete)?


erikaj - Dec 04, 2006 10:37:46 am PST #4373 of 10007
Always Anti-fascist!

You're a weirdo if you're a woman and go out without painting your face. Which I often am, btw.


Jessica - Dec 04, 2006 10:39:19 am PST #4374 of 10007
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Also, Botox is a poison, people!

Meh, so are most antimalarials. Everyone I know who's gotten Botox treatments got them for medical reasons -- to treat otherwise intractable nerve pain and/or migraines.


Fred Pete - Dec 04, 2006 10:46:49 am PST #4375 of 10007
Ann, that's a ferret.

flea, you might want to check out an article on cultural habits of the Nacirema. Not sure when it was published, except it had circulated pretty widely by 1980. Your friendly neighborhood Sociology Department should be able to put you on to a copy.

Basically, it's a look at American culture ("Nacirema" backward) from an outsider's perspective, much as Western anthropologists would write about a tribal culture.


§ ita § - Dec 04, 2006 10:50:03 am PST #4376 of 10007
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Botox is a poison, people!

Eh, we inject all sorts of harmful things in non-harmful doses to get a desired effect. Maybe a lack of wrinkles isn't a good enough reason, but what about all the others? Medically used botox is still as poisonous, and not that dangerous.

You're a weirdo if you're a woman and go out without painting your face

I've never gotten that. I mean, there are tons of women out without much or any makeup on. At my past job, a woman with foundation and eye shadow stood out terribly, just like a man in a tie.

Sorry, Plei. I meant Not!Dean. I confuse myself.


Jessica - Dec 04, 2006 10:54:23 am PST #4377 of 10007
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Maybe a lack of wrinkles isn't a good enough reason

My only issue with cosmetic botox is that it doesn't make you look younger, just perpetually surprised. Which for most people is not an improvement over natural aging.

I've never gotten that. I mean, there are tons of women out without much or any makeup on.

I've never worn makeup in any workplace, except at the interview, and it's never once been commented on. Even when I was temping at Revlon, where you'd think it'd be an Issue.


Trudy Booth - Dec 04, 2006 10:57:11 am PST #4378 of 10007
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I assumed Flea meant cosmtic botox. We use all sorts of poison for medical reasons.


Trudy Booth - Dec 04, 2006 10:58:29 am PST #4379 of 10007
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

My only issue with cosmetic botox is that it doesn't make you look younger, just perpetually surprised. Which for most people is not an improvement over natural aging.

I assume that is bad botox and there is good ones we don't notice.


flea - Dec 04, 2006 10:58:33 am PST #4380 of 10007
information libertarian

[link] The Nacirema article is now public domain, linked from wikipedia. I haven't read it yet, but there seems to be something about tooth-brushing...


tommyrot - Dec 04, 2006 11:01:20 am PST #4381 of 10007
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I assumed Flea meant cosmtic botox.

I read that as 'cosmic catbox.'