Zoe: Uh huh. River, honey? He's putting the hair away now. River: It'll still be there... waiting.

'Jaynestown'


Natter 48 Contiguous States of Denial  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Dec 02, 2006 8:27:43 pm PST #4163 of 10007
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Wasn't beauty more currency for the privileged? I'd imagine, for men whose wives had to do stuff for everyone to get by, indicators of their practicality would be better currency--what is then attractive is what suits them best for the task. Childbearing hips, perhaps, or strong hands for working in the fields.

All else being equal, pick the pretty one. But how often is all else equal, especially when your sustenance is on the line?


bon bon - Dec 02, 2006 8:34:45 pm PST #4164 of 10007
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

ita says something similar to what I was thinking. At least in the last few centuries, beauty was completely worhtless next to the possibility of increasing wealth. A woman's value was the wealth of her family far more than her looks. Before that it may well have been fertility or strength. Beauty has only been a career in maybe the last few decades.


SonusExMachina - Dec 02, 2006 8:38:05 pm PST #4165 of 10007
BOOK: "River..? Please, why don't you come on out..." RIVER: "No. Can't. Too much hair." - 'Jaynestown'

Similarly, in some less modern cultures, obesity in men is considered a sign of good fortune & prosperity...

In modern culture, of course, the rich & famous have eating disorders and/or personal trainers.


quester - Dec 02, 2006 8:38:12 pm PST #4166 of 10007
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

I've seen stuff on TV, where they try to test for things like how people unconsciously react to the appearance of others. They usually use babies. They react better to pretty people than to less-than-pretty people. Ergo, according to the TV people, humans are pre-disposed to be attracted to beauty.

I don't know if that really means anything.


§ ita § - Dec 02, 2006 8:39:02 pm PST #4167 of 10007
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So what, then, is progress? A woman's currency is...anything? Dependent on her and the man? Variable in the same way a man's may be (and it can't be denied that his currency can often be his actualy currency)?

Unrelatedly, traumatic gag link. Traumatic in the NSFW way.


bon bon - Dec 02, 2006 8:40:52 pm PST #4168 of 10007
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

ita, goddammit! I totally thought she was kidding, she is not.


quester - Dec 02, 2006 8:42:03 pm PST #4169 of 10007
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

ita, that link took me to phonetrace.org, was that what it was supposed to do?


§ ita § - Dec 02, 2006 8:46:27 pm PST #4170 of 10007
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

ita, goddammit! I totally thought she was kidding, she is not.

I'm finally totally up front about my link and it's some weird cry-wolf thing, huh?

I'm guessing you didn't put in a number, quester.


quester - Dec 02, 2006 8:47:54 pm PST #4171 of 10007
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

Oh, no I didn't.

eta: now I get it.


SailAweigh - Dec 02, 2006 8:48:27 pm PST #4172 of 10007
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

humans are pre-disposed to be attracted to beauty.

Actually, we're pre-disposed to be attracted to symmetry. The more symmetrical the person's face/body, the fewer genetic abnormalities.