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'The Message'


Spike's Bitches 33: Weeping, crawling, blaming everybody else  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Sean K - Dec 18, 2006 2:09:34 pm PST #6300 of 10004
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Argh. Had to make some edits to my thoughts. It still may be a cludgey and inelegant way of phrasing my thoughts on this matter.


Ailleann - Dec 18, 2006 2:13:12 pm PST #6301 of 10004
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

For instance, I am morally opposed to abortion. However, I don't believe that it should be illegal to get one. If someone wants to get one, that's on them and does not affect my morals at all.

Not on topic, but Aimee = my sistah.


Topic!Cindy - Dec 18, 2006 2:16:34 pm PST #6302 of 10004
What is even happening?

Off what Sean said, even "morals" is a really broad term. That discussion need refining.


Aims - Dec 18, 2006 2:17:08 pm PST #6303 of 10004
Shit's all sorts of different now.

It's like that bullshit "Gay marriage undermines het marriage."

Wha-huh? How? How does GC and her GF or Kat and Lori or our friends E &T getting married make my marriage to Joe any less than what it is? Other couples, hets included, do not have any impact on the strength of my marriage. And I resent anyone who tells me that it does.


Sean K - Dec 18, 2006 2:20:17 pm PST #6304 of 10004
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Off what Sean said, even "morals" is a really broad term. That discussion need refining.

Word to Cindy's mom. A critical thinking course should always address thorny, complex, emotion laden issues like "porn - good or bad?" but Aimee's class discussion has gone a little off the rails, in part because of the prof, and there is a lot of non-critical non-thinking going on.

And Aimee, you're doing an admirable job of trying to get it back on track. I hope some of what I've said can give you some extra ammo for that endeavor.


Deena - Dec 18, 2006 2:20:57 pm PST #6305 of 10004
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

I completely agree that they can.

I know you do. I was thinking of them. Obviously they really can't, but are instead using emotion-laden words to append value judgements, and are expressing their fuzzy thinking and knee-jerk reactions to your statements on an emotional level instead of thinking things through and responding logically.

I hope that reads semi-logically. Aidan's beating me up.


Connie Neil - Dec 18, 2006 2:21:14 pm PST #6306 of 10004
brillig

critical thinking=willingness to consider that what you've previously held to be true is subject to change

Too many times people arguing from a morals standpoint equate morals with faith/belief, which is not often subject to criticism. A person can have both the capacity to criticize a subject and a firm faith in whatever, but the two occupy different spheres of thought.

IMO.


Sean K - Dec 18, 2006 2:22:12 pm PST #6307 of 10004
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

It's like that bullshit "Gay marriage undermines het marriage."

A very unproven assertion.


Jessica - Dec 18, 2006 2:27:16 pm PST #6308 of 10004
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

fuzzy thinking and knee-jerk reactions to your statements on an emotional level

Yep. "I had a bad experience with X, therefore X is evil and bad and wrong" is poor moral AND critical thinking. Seriously, fill in that blank with anything other than "porn" and it becomes ridiculous --

"I'm allergic to strawberries. Therefore, eating strawberries is a SIN."

"I was in a car accident. Therefore, driving is morally wrong."


tommyrot - Dec 18, 2006 2:29:03 pm PST #6309 of 10004
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

"I was in a car accident. Therefore, driving is morally wrong."

"Satan tries to tempt me - he tells me all the errands I could get done in a day if I drove to them...."