Joyce: And what did you do tonight? Dawn: Irritated Giles. I'm beginning to get why Buffy likes it so much.

'Get It Done'


Natter 47: My Brilliance Is Wasted On You People  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Volans - Oct 06, 2006 8:59:43 pm PDT #2600 of 10001
move out and draw fire

Hastert's passive-aggressive defense of Foley, blaming everybody including George Soros, prompted this from a friend:

Secret Gay Cabal! I believe I have their second album "Mennonite Schisms", a track list:

1) Bobbin' O'Reilly (aka Teenage Waistband)
2) I Touch Myself
3) Paradise by the "Scroll Lock" Light
4) YMCA
5) Me And Julio Down By The Schoolyard
6) Sweet Child of Mine
7) Theme from "Rawhide"
8) Union of the Snake
9) Turning Japanese
10) Burning Down the House
11) Don't Stand So Close to Me
12) One Night in Bangkok
13) Let's Hear it for the Boy


Gus - Oct 07, 2006 2:35:19 am PDT #2601 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

I was 18 when my boy was born. "Early" babies turn out pretty and smart.


Cashmere - Oct 07, 2006 3:05:25 am PDT #2602 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

My mom was pregnant at 17. Mom and Dad married when she was 18 and he was 20 and are still together after 46 years. I'm not saying those marriages don't work.

I still get creeped out by watching Coal Miner's Daughter when I remember Loretta Lynn was 13 in the beginning.


Theodosia - Oct 07, 2006 3:31:46 am PDT #2603 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

It's always a lovely triumph when couples who marry early and/or have a kid early stay together like that -- certainly not the way to bet, but it sure can and does happen.


Cashmere - Oct 07, 2006 3:33:30 am PDT #2604 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

I suppose there is a lot of biological sense to it. Younger people have more energy and are physically more suited to bearing children--can't say that hasn't crossed my mind a thousand times in the last two years.


Anne W. - Oct 07, 2006 3:46:42 am PDT #2605 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Younger people have more energy and are physically more suited to bearing children

My best friend will be in her mid-fifties when her daughter is in high school. Her husband will be in his mid-sixties. That was something they thought long and hard about before deciding to go ahead and have a child.

I wonder if, in some cases, having known one's childhood sweetheart since pre-school can help with the longevity of a marriage since there was already a friendship there before the hormones started kicking in.


Theodosia - Oct 07, 2006 4:11:36 am PDT #2606 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Older parents have more life experience and often more material prosperity than younger -- I'd like to think it evens out.

I just ahem'd My Name is Earl in 8 minutes, which is a freaky record for my connection. Alas, it was the wrong episode, and now I'm getting the correct episode with an ETA of about an hour... which is still fast, but not freaky-fast.


Topic!Cindy - Oct 07, 2006 5:28:32 am PDT #2607 of 10001
What is even happening?

CV, nice to see you here. All the best to your poor mom.

I suppose there is a lot of biological sense to it. Younger people have more energy and are physically more suited to bearing children--can't say that hasn't crossed my mind a thousand times in the last two years.

Oh, yeah. My best friend had her first child on her 19th birthday. Her youngest (she has three) is two years and change older than my oldest. She's almost done, while her younger sister and one of her brothers are just having their children (but not together, because ewww).

We went out for coffee on Thursday, and were talking about how ill-suited we (personally) would feel if we were facing new motherhood, now. Neither of us have either the patience or energy small children require, any more.

Honestly, I feel like I (me me me only -- not everyone, nor even most women) might have been a better mother, at least where some aspects of the role are concerned, if it had all come about 5 years earlier. I think I was a good deal older than the national average age at first birth, but I was not older in comparison to the other women in my social circle. I was weeks shy of 29 when Ben was born, 31+ when Julia was born, and turned 33 weeks before Chris was born.

If I keep going, I'm going to start questioning all the changes to family structure ushered in by the Industrial Revolution, so I'll shut up, because on the whole, I'm pretty darned happy we don't live with our extended family.

And I love my TiVo.


Sheryl - Oct 07, 2006 5:57:05 am PDT #2608 of 10001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

The whole "age of the mother" thing's been on my mind for a while, since I realize that I'll be at least 39 when/if I have a child. While I might have been in better physical shape for a child if I had one when I was in my 20s, I wasn't in emotional shape for one then. It wasn't until I met G that I thought seriously about having kids. (For a long time I was sure I'd never get married or have kids)


Theodosia - Oct 07, 2006 6:10:46 am PDT #2609 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

My mom was 39 when I was born, so I have some positive bias in favor of older moms, from my personal experience. Having a stable and mature outlook/relationship can be one of the most important elements!