It's because you didn't have a strong father figure isn't it?

Joyce ,'Chosen'


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DavidS - Sep 02, 2006 5:00:42 pm PDT #1615 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

And last I checked, while you are her friend, you aren't her therapist and if her therapist or doctors think she needs to change her illusions, they'll work on it with her.

Honestly Aims, I don't see you as being the kind of friend who would hold her tongue if you thought a friend was deluded.


Aims - Sep 02, 2006 5:02:21 pm PDT #1616 of 10000
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Honestly Aims, I don't see you as being the kind of friend who would hold her tongue if you thought a friend was deluded.

I'm not. But as I said, I would have come up with a better way to express my concern instead of just poking at her, which is what your initial question seemed like, and not just to me, but to her. If I couldn't express it in a constructive way, I *would* hold my tongue and support them in whatever way helped them.


DavidS - Sep 02, 2006 5:09:38 pm PDT #1617 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I would have come up with a better way to express my concern instead of just poking at her

Fair enough. I'll cop to the inapproriately glib. vw, I'm sorry I took such a snarky tone on such a sensitive and unhappy topic. The presumption behind your comment seemed so outrageously and dangerously wrong-headed that I felt compelled to challenge it. Clearly you didn't need that, nor the way I phrased it.


Aims - Sep 02, 2006 5:14:11 pm PDT #1618 of 10000
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Good enough. Let's move on.

My hair *is* fabulous, huh?


erikaj - Sep 02, 2006 5:15:08 pm PDT #1619 of 10000
I'm a fucking amazing catch!--Fiona Gallagher, Shameless(US)

I believe it was intended as a reality check, though. Even if it came off badly. vw, I didn't know about that...I'm sorry for it. I think you've done a fine job of rebuilding things, in any event.


DavidS - Sep 02, 2006 5:15:37 pm PDT #1620 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

you don't think that's provocative?

I certainly don't think it's the kind of comment that provokes hysterics.

It's yelling, "Fire!" in the crowded theatre...

No it's not. It might've been insensitive, but it doesn't fall under that legalistic distinction. Else anything you said that was potentially upsetting to somebody else could be prohibited.


Lee - Sep 02, 2006 5:16:10 pm PDT #1621 of 10000
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

The presumption behind your comment seemed so outrageously and dangerously wrong-heaaded that I felt compelled to challenge it.

Um.

See...

Sigh.


Aims - Sep 02, 2006 5:18:15 pm PDT #1622 of 10000
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Ok, I missed that part.

Maybe not moving on.

Seriously, David. Why did you throw that in there?

Honestly. You fucked up, you said something shitty. You apologize to cover up something else shitty. I honestly don't know what planet you are from sometimes.


Ginger - Sep 02, 2006 5:19:34 pm PDT #1623 of 10000
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

My hair *is* fabulous, huh?

Very fabulous. I'd put up a picture of mine, but I've never mastered the self-portrait. I always end up with pictures that look like all the pictures I have of one of my dogs. She would run to you the minute you got out the camera, so all the pictures are of a giant blurry dog's nose.


Aims - Sep 02, 2006 5:23:40 pm PDT #1624 of 10000
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Thanks, Ginger. :) I don't take good self portraits either. I make Joe take them.