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DavidS - Jun 11, 2007 2:50:34 pm PDT #949 of 7329
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Right. Cut to black. Definitely more abrupt and bullety.

Still, I think the book ending songs both tip Chase's hand that it doesn't stop, that it keeps going on.


DavidS - Jun 11, 2007 2:56:13 pm PDT #950 of 7329
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Interesting. Ganked this from Tim Goodman's blog, which was taking it from the HBO boards:

From the HBO message boards:

So here is what I found out. The guy at the bar is also credited as Nikki Leotardo. The same actor played him in the first part of season 6 during a brief sit down concerning the future of Vito... Apparently, he is the nephew of Phil. Absolutely Genius!!!! David Chase is truly rewarding the true fans who pay attention to detail.

So the point would have been that life continues and we may never know the end of the Sopranos. But if you pay attention to the history, you will find that all the answers lie in the characters in the restaurant. The trucker was the brother of the guy who was robbed by Christopher in Season 2. Remember the DVD players? The trucker had to identify the body. The boy scouts were in the train store and the black guys at the end were the ones who tried to kill Tony and only clipped him in the ear (was that season 2 or 3?).


bon bon - Jun 11, 2007 2:57:53 pm PDT #951 of 7329
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I think of it like a schroedinger's tony ending-- all and none of the things that are suggested happen. (I also think the similar ending of Angel as a fade to black is just coincidence.) My favorite is the idea that nothing happens; that this scene describes the rest of this life of paranoia-- a fate he truly deserves.


DavidS - Jun 11, 2007 3:00:12 pm PDT #952 of 7329
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Another tidbit ganked:

PLEASE NOTE -- just before the end, the TV was playing the classically annoying informercial for the "Magic Bullet."


Frankenbuddha - Jun 11, 2007 3:02:38 pm PDT #953 of 7329
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

that this scene describes the rest of this life of paranoia-- a fate he truly deserves.

This. You've managed to articulate what I was only feeling. But it did ping me for Angel, only because I remember how a lot of fans (generally not here, though) went off on how unresolved it was.


bon bon - Jun 11, 2007 3:03:34 pm PDT #954 of 7329
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

So here is what I found out. The guy at the bar is also credited as Nikki Leotardo. The same actor played him in the first part of season 6 during a brief sit down concerning the future of Vito... Apparently, he is the nephew of Phil. Absolutely Genius!!!! David Chase is truly rewarding the true fans who pay attention to detail.

This has been reposted everywhere, but has been debunked, I believe-- the members only jacket guy is a nonactor. Can't find the link anymore, though.


DavidS - Jun 11, 2007 3:04:43 pm PDT #955 of 7329
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I suppose people already noticed that Patsy's wife was played by Donna Pescow - John Travolta's love interest in Saturday Night Fever. (Not relevant to the ending - just an observation)


DavidS - Jun 11, 2007 3:05:49 pm PDT #956 of 7329
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

This has been reposted everywhere, but has been debunked,

Dude, you've got to Snopes check your tv factoids these days.

Anyway, that takes me back to the musical clues and "life goes on" take.


bon bon - Jun 11, 2007 3:08:26 pm PDT #957 of 7329
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Dude, you've got to Snopes check your tv factoids these days.

What's amazing to me is that procrastinating all day looking at people's reactions to the episode, I haven't seen a message board or comment thread that has not reposted that tidbit. That dude's completely wrong set of assertions were spread like wildfire.

Here is a real interesting tidbit I did come across, though: [link]

ETA: found it in my history. Members Only guy: [link]


DavidS - Jun 11, 2007 3:12:47 pm PDT #958 of 7329
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Here is a real interesting tidbit I did come across, though: [link]

Heh!

Oh, also pointing to an Ambiguity Rules interpretation is the song listed under "Don't Stop Believing" on the jukebox: "Any Way You Want It."

eta: "Either version you're half way up the ass...heh heh. Pardon my French, sweetheart."

Actually, the camera lingered over several titles in that scene. I need to go back and rewatch, as I expect they all have some ironic significance.