Inara: So. Would you like to lecture me on the wickedness of my ways? Book: I brought you some supper, but if you'd prefer a lecture, I've a few very catchy ones prepped. Sin and hellfire... one has lepers.

'Serenity'


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bon bon - Jun 11, 2007 2:57:53 pm PDT #951 of 7329
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I think of it like a schroedinger's tony ending-- all and none of the things that are suggested happen. (I also think the similar ending of Angel as a fade to black is just coincidence.) My favorite is the idea that nothing happens; that this scene describes the rest of this life of paranoia-- a fate he truly deserves.


DavidS - Jun 11, 2007 3:00:12 pm PDT #952 of 7329
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Another tidbit ganked:

PLEASE NOTE -- just before the end, the TV was playing the classically annoying informercial for the "Magic Bullet."


Frankenbuddha - Jun 11, 2007 3:02:38 pm PDT #953 of 7329
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

that this scene describes the rest of this life of paranoia-- a fate he truly deserves.

This. You've managed to articulate what I was only feeling. But it did ping me for Angel, only because I remember how a lot of fans (generally not here, though) went off on how unresolved it was.


bon bon - Jun 11, 2007 3:03:34 pm PDT #954 of 7329
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

So here is what I found out. The guy at the bar is also credited as Nikki Leotardo. The same actor played him in the first part of season 6 during a brief sit down concerning the future of Vito... Apparently, he is the nephew of Phil. Absolutely Genius!!!! David Chase is truly rewarding the true fans who pay attention to detail.

This has been reposted everywhere, but has been debunked, I believe-- the members only jacket guy is a nonactor. Can't find the link anymore, though.


DavidS - Jun 11, 2007 3:04:43 pm PDT #955 of 7329
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I suppose people already noticed that Patsy's wife was played by Donna Pescow - John Travolta's love interest in Saturday Night Fever. (Not relevant to the ending - just an observation)


DavidS - Jun 11, 2007 3:05:49 pm PDT #956 of 7329
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

This has been reposted everywhere, but has been debunked,

Dude, you've got to Snopes check your tv factoids these days.

Anyway, that takes me back to the musical clues and "life goes on" take.


bon bon - Jun 11, 2007 3:08:26 pm PDT #957 of 7329
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Dude, you've got to Snopes check your tv factoids these days.

What's amazing to me is that procrastinating all day looking at people's reactions to the episode, I haven't seen a message board or comment thread that has not reposted that tidbit. That dude's completely wrong set of assertions were spread like wildfire.

Here is a real interesting tidbit I did come across, though: [link]

ETA: found it in my history. Members Only guy: [link]


DavidS - Jun 11, 2007 3:12:47 pm PDT #958 of 7329
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Here is a real interesting tidbit I did come across, though: [link]

Heh!

Oh, also pointing to an Ambiguity Rules interpretation is the song listed under "Don't Stop Believing" on the jukebox: "Any Way You Want It."

eta: "Either version you're half way up the ass...heh heh. Pardon my French, sweetheart."

Actually, the camera lingered over several titles in that scene. I need to go back and rewatch, as I expect they all have some ironic significance.


DavidS - Jun 11, 2007 3:23:29 pm PDT #959 of 7329
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Oh, I forgot another great scene. The way Carmela shuts down the conversation after she hears that Hunter is in her second year in med school. She's quick to bring up that Hunter got kicked out of college, but can't linger a second knowing that Hunter's going to be a doctor and Meadow is not.

It's funny that people think Chase left everything unresolved when the whole entire episode is one callback after another. He hits on all of the major themes and dynamics in the family and crew over the course of the series. They refer back to Tony's relationship with Livia, his relationship with Jun, Christopher, Janice, the people who've been whacked. Meadow's run across the street echoes her almost getting hit by a car when she was drunk and going to the funeral of the kid that Tony whacked. If you step away from the straight line narrative and hold it up it's like a map for the entire series.


Hayden - Jun 11, 2007 9:10:31 pm PDT #960 of 7329
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I love y'all, but you naysayers are nuts. That was a perfect hour of television, and a perfect cap on a great, smart series.

The last five minutes in particular were insanely tense, and somehow (this really gets me!) the Journey song ratcheted up the tension to the point that I nearly passed out from unconsciously holding my breath. Don't stop, indeed.

And MAN, what a funny episode! Paulie and the cat. Agent Harris getting overinvolved in Tony's war ("We're going to win this thing!"). Tony and Carmela bribing AJ to stay out of the Army with a job working for a pornographer. The over-the-top crowd reaction to Phil's death. Meadow's assertion that the government oppresses Italians. AJ's political activism. That incredibly uncomfortable chat with the Parisis. Paulie immediately taking the cursed job when Tony suggested giving it to Patsy. Tony's lawyer distracted by the naked girls on the monitor.

And sad, too! Tony looking at Jun's face and seeing how small and horrible and fleeting his future would be, even if he survives long enough to be old (and that's not too likely, given all the clues the episode left about Tony's future). Silvio in the hospital. The cat looking at Chris (ok, that was funny, too). The kids' complicity with their dad's corrupt life (not that too many civilians in Chase's world are anything other than corrupt). No Melfi!

So, to wit: I loved it and thought the choice to cut off on an ambiguous expression in the middle of a Journey chorus was fucking brilliant.

P.S. the theory about all the people in the ice-cream shop being out of Tony's past demeans us all and indicates that the terrorists may have already won.

Edited because I'm too tired to realize when I can't spell.