But didnt Jon think he was a bastard? He didn't know about the marriage did he?
And as a badtard wouldn't the child be killed once shit started going down? By that time Ned had been raising him as his own, how do you go back on that lie?
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msbelle - Aug 29, 2017 7:55:52 am PDT #6886 of 7329
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
-t - Aug 29, 2017 8:23:44 am PDT #6887 of 7329
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Yeah, it makes sense if Ned thought Jon was a bastard. What I don't like is Lyanna's dying declaration being the name Aegon Targaryen which implies he is legitimate. I suppose Ned could have just not believed her but that also seems out of character to me.
Jessica - Aug 29, 2017 10:56:59 am PDT #6888 of 7329
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?
Here's what bothers me. If Ned had known that "Jon" was the legitimate heir there's no way he would have backed Robert's claim to the Iron Throne.
Yeah, that is a problem.
Scrappy - Aug 29, 2017 4:52:34 pm PDT #6889 of 7329
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
Well, Jon was a baby and all the other possible heirs had just been murdered, right?
Amy - Aug 29, 2017 5:06:21 pm PDT #6890 of 7329
Because books.
It does beg the question: If Ned got to his sister before Jon was actually born, and his sister was still coherent and communicating -- and even told him the baby's name! -- why wouldn't she have mentioned that she and the babydaddy were married, by the way? That doesn't make a lot of sense.
DebetEsse - Aug 29, 2017 10:03:48 pm PDT #6891 of 7329
Woe to the fucking wicked.
Robert 100% would have killed baby Jon if he had known. Robert was all about Killing All The Targaryens. That's part of the reason it makes sense that Ned told no one (except, possibly, Howland Reed--who was there--and Benjen--who one could narratively believe that he would trust). Ned was oathbound to Lyanna to keep Jon safe. Keeping Jon safe meant making sure no one knew who his parents were.
Tom Scola - Aug 30, 2017 1:14:36 am PDT #6892 of 7329
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And, as this episode illustrates, Starks will keep their word way past the limits of common sense.
-t - Aug 30, 2017 5:19:21 am PDT #6893 of 7329
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
I'm not saying he would announce Jon was the heir, but surely he would be at least a little conflicted about telling Robert he has the best claim to the throne. He might even put Robert on the throne but he would justify it differently. Knowing there was a legit heir would eat him up. I just don't buy it.
Gris - Aug 30, 2017 12:53:17 pm PDT #6894 of 7329
Hey. New board.
- and even told him the baby's name! -- why wouldn't she have mentioned that she and the babydaddy were married, by the way?
She did. She said his last name was Targaryan, not Sand. That's means they were married.
DavidS - Aug 30, 2017 1:10:35 pm PDT #6895 of 7329
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
A scene was cut explaining the turnaround on Littlefinger. Apparently that wasn't playacting by Arya to fool Littlefinger. Pretty sloppy storytelling to leave this information out: