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-t - Aug 28, 2017 1:33:48 pm PDT #6882 of 7329
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I'm kind of shocked that people are shocked at Dany/Jon (the don't-call-me-Dany thing was funny). Is that not obviously where we've been headed all along?

I'm not sure what that Tyrion reaction meant but I didn't take it as jealousy. Some kind of political concern, maybe. Maybe he knows that if she's happy she's more in danger of dying? I think he ships them, though.


DavidS - Aug 28, 2017 8:26:41 pm PDT #6883 of 7329
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I think that by making them a romantic couple it definitely means Jon will die before the end of the series. So Dany can carry his child to term when she takes the throne.

I'm trying to think who will Die By Narrative Arc before the end.

Certainly Cersei and Jaime will both die. I think Brienne lives on - probably heads the Queensguard. Jorah dies. He has to.

Varys and Melisandre die - she foretold it.


Jessica - Aug 29, 2017 4:36:04 am PDT #6884 of 7329
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

I'm trying to think who will Die By Narrative Arc before the end.

The fact that this is now possible shows how significantly the show has diverged from the books. In some ways it's an improvement because it means the story might actually go somewhere, but I do kind of miss the feeling of "this character can't die they're too importa - OH FUCK!!!"


-t - Aug 29, 2017 5:54:41 am PDT #6885 of 7329
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Here's what bothers me. If Ned had known that "Jon" was the legitimate heir there's no way he would have backed Robert's claim to the Iron Throne.


msbelle - Aug 29, 2017 7:55:52 am PDT #6886 of 7329
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

But didnt Jon think he was a bastard? He didn't know about the marriage did he?

And as a badtard wouldn't the child be killed once shit started going down? By that time Ned had been raising him as his own, how do you go back on that lie?


-t - Aug 29, 2017 8:23:44 am PDT #6887 of 7329
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Yeah, it makes sense if Ned thought Jon was a bastard. What I don't like is Lyanna's dying declaration being the name Aegon Targaryen which implies he is legitimate. I suppose Ned could have just not believed her but that also seems out of character to me.


Jessica - Aug 29, 2017 10:56:59 am PDT #6888 of 7329
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

Here's what bothers me. If Ned had known that "Jon" was the legitimate heir there's no way he would have backed Robert's claim to the Iron Throne.

Yeah, that is a problem.


Scrappy - Aug 29, 2017 4:52:34 pm PDT #6889 of 7329
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Well, Jon was a baby and all the other possible heirs had just been murdered, right?


Amy - Aug 29, 2017 5:06:21 pm PDT #6890 of 7329
Because books.

It does beg the question: If Ned got to his sister before Jon was actually born, and his sister was still coherent and communicating -- and even told him the baby's name! -- why wouldn't she have mentioned that she and the babydaddy were married, by the way? That doesn't make a lot of sense.


DebetEsse - Aug 29, 2017 10:03:48 pm PDT #6891 of 7329
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Robert 100% would have killed baby Jon if he had known. Robert was all about Killing All The Targaryens. That's part of the reason it makes sense that Ned told no one (except, possibly, Howland Reed--who was there--and Benjen--who one could narratively believe that he would trust). Ned was oathbound to Lyanna to keep Jon safe. Keeping Jon safe meant making sure no one knew who his parents were.