Mal: How come you didn't turn on me, Jayne? Jayne: Money wasn't good enough. Mal: What happens when it is? Jayne: Well... that'll be an interesting day.

'Serenity'


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DavidS - May 23, 2016 8:26:43 pm PDT #6478 of 7329
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Somebody elsewhere in some comments thread explained the Wyllis-Hodor thing in a way that got me to grasp it better.

Bran warging into Hodor while being in the presence of Wylis linked Wylis and Hodor - so just in case you thought it couldn't get worse think about young Wylis experiencing everything Hodor was going through.

Which means also that Hodor knew that moment was coming his whole life.


Polter-Cow - May 24, 2016 8:53:00 am PDT #6479 of 7329
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Which means also that Hodor knew that moment was coming his whole life.

Oh SHIT. No wonder he was so loyal to Bran.


Sean K - May 24, 2016 9:08:49 am PDT #6480 of 7329
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Yeah, it really is so much worse than you initially think it is, on a couple of levels. Because there was a functioning mind still in there. He understood when other people spoke. Since he was mostly a functional person, one can only hope that he mostly suppressed the memory (although it certainly explains why he was always utterly freaked out by violence). But even with it partially or mostly suppressed, he had to understand on some level where the journey was taking him (the deep cryptic sadness in Kristian Nairn's "hodors" this season are so perfectly played).

So it's is simultaneously both this horrible thing Bran did to Hodor, and yet still Hodor's heroic, selfless choice.

And of course, part of why and how it so gutting, on top of just caring about Hodor as a character, is the realization that the awful truth has been right in front of your face the entire time. You just didn't understand what you were looking at.


SuziQ - May 24, 2016 9:34:30 am PDT #6481 of 7329
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

CALLING ALL BUFFISTAE - please check out my post in Beep Me (probably should have put it in Press, too late now).


Polter-Cow - May 24, 2016 9:54:20 am PDT #6482 of 7329
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

So it's is simultaneously both this horrible thing Bran did to Hodor, and yet still Hodor's heroic, selfless choice.

I like the idea that Hodor knew it was coming and so he deliberately stayed with Bran to protect him all this time because it was bothering me that the actual door-holding was not his decision.


DavidS - May 24, 2016 2:03:21 pm PDT #6483 of 7329
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

You know, I realize now that I'm only just beginning to understand the distinction between the White Walkers and the army of zombie wights.

But all of the babies turned out at Craster's Keep were turned into White Walkers. But wights are just any old dead that get raised up by the Night King.

And you can kill the wights buy chopping and fire (Trad Zombie).

But you need Dragonglass/Obsidian or Valyrian Steel to kill a White Walker. (Probably dragon fire too.)


Tom Scola - May 25, 2016 8:53:28 am PDT #6484 of 7329
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

TOO SOON!


DavidS - May 25, 2016 9:05:17 am PDT #6485 of 7329
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

TOO SOON!

Heh.


Polter-Cow - May 29, 2016 5:20:10 pm PDT #6486 of 7329
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

WELL THAT ARYA STORYLINE IS HEATING UP. What a brilliantly evil final scene.

I forget, has Coldhands appeared on the show? Because isn't it fanon that Benjen is Coldhands, which...appears to be confirmed now?

ETA: Hm, it appears the answer to my question is very complicated. No, he has not appeared on the show. Yes, it is fanon that Benjen is Coldhands. But...yes, it is confirmed that Benjen is Coldhands ON THE SHOW but...apparently not in the books?? WHAT IS THE DEAL.


Sean K - May 29, 2016 7:44:01 pm PDT #6487 of 7329
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Yeah, I dunno about Coldhands, or how that relates to the books.

I am now more convinced than ever that Lady Stoneheart will in fact be appearing on this show. Possibly even next week. I know, I've called it once before this season, but after that preview I'm willing to give it another shot.

And HOLY CRAP THAT ENDING, THO!